Rabbi Tovia Singer – Who is the Prince in Ezekiel?
Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever…And on that day the prince shall prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bull for a sin offering. – Ezekiel 37:25,45:22
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Wow! Tovia Singer answered not so much a question i had concerning the “nativity” story but something I felt was more a catholic picture of events that suddenly didn’t seem to line up. I introduced the idea once and nobody could untangle the theology without losing their own belief system. I thank God that He is even clearing up things that have bugged me but didn’t have enough information to ask the right questions. Now, my question is, if Messiah didn’t mitzvah or get baptized then where can we find the true events that took place? Also, the water under the Temple, is that the same water mentioned in Ezekiel 47 and Rev. 22? You probably mentioned it but I was so wrapped up in all that you were talking about. Does Rabbi Singer have other teachings I can listen to?
Love your program! Shalom!
Wow, that is a place I’d love to go to in the holy land! You can keep the church sites. Amazing show, you cover so much in the last third of the show, I can’t wait to study it out!
Jono and Jason totally awesome, and special thanks to Rabbi Singer! His knowledge, like Nechemia’s, of scripture is so . . .thought provoking!
Thank you my new dream team!
Thanks Jono for a wonderful show. What a beautiful picture you put up, thanks. Jono you are so deliteful & animated we smile just listening to you. Love tovia Singer. I love the straight up honesty. I love watching Tovia on you tube too.
(This is said tongue in cheek). The tanach is sweet honey/manna on my tongue, & the “new commentary”, quail,lots lots of quail. Baromp-bomp-bump
Thank-you for the information. Can’t wait to hear more! I found out that the Trinity was made up. Maybe have some facts about that next time? I mean, if there is no virgin birth than no Trinity, correct? What is Messiah’s role then from a scriptural basis so we can unwarp our Babylonian Constantine minds? Just bringing a sacrifice for unintentional sin? Nothing more? I did hear that some of the ancestry in Matthew was condensed and not every generation was listed and that 1:16 says “And Ya’aqob brought forth Yoseph the “father” of Miryam” not husband, therefore making the lineage through David and Shelomoh. In your opinion, is this accurate? I think they found that in the Hebrew Matthew, not sure. Thanks for helping us understand scripture more accurately!
Bless Yah!
G’day Sharon, Outreach Judaism is Rabbi Tovia Singer’s website, there are many teachings available there.
Check out the Pistol Shrimp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpheidae. This one (like the one featured above) creates a superheated air pocket (as hot as the surface of the sun), stunning its prey.
I believe that Matthew lists Mary’s genealogy. Joseph was Mary’s father, who happened to share the name of her husband. In the Hebrew Matthew, it says “Joseph the father (ab) of Mary”. In the Peshitta, it says “Joseph the warrior (gibra) of Mary”. Luke’s genealogy may list Joseph’s (husband of Mary) because of his presumed legal adoption of Yeshua. If it is Mary’s father’s lineage yet again, it may be the alternate lineage of father Joseph because his legal father and biological father differed due to a levirate begetting theory, although this theory may have been concocted due to the confusion of the lineages ever since the second century.
It has been said that the reason Matthew shortened the lineage to produce three sets of 14 was to show in gematria that Yeshua was the son of David (=14).
Zerubabbel was made God’s signet ring in Hagai’s prophecy. Jeremiah prophesied that Coniah was unmade as God’s signet ring. Hence, Zerubabbel was in fact the rightful heir to the throne of David. David, on this forum, linked to a YouTube video wherein a young man shows that Zerubabbel may not have been a descendant from the cursed Coniah, but his uncle Jochanan, who’s name may have been changed to Jeconiah and not recorded.
This question is in regard to King David. Is he not going to be resurrected? If not, why not. Is that true of all the people who have died? We will not come back? I need some scriptures on that.
Jono,
I am a bit intrigued as to why you wouldn’t post my last comment.
G’day David, I always post links. I did, however, watch yours and found it to be a desparate graspping of straws. Nevertheless, if anyone would like to spend 17 minutes of their time analysing just one of many damage control attempts, here it is… http://www.new2torah.com/2013/05/defending-messiah/#sthash.jCpVsVFD.dpuf
I have no agenda here. I personally have completely denounced Paul as a false prophet and my foundation is in the Tanakh. I do believe that Y’shua is the “coming” Messiah however I don’t see Y’shua as an exclusive salvation doctrine….the way Paul saw him. I believe the link I posted was relevant and thought provoking to this discussion. I find it interesting that I had to nudge you to get you to post it. What happened to the whole “search it out for yourself” jargon?
? Jono,
You reference Isiah 46:16 & 17 as where it said the Messiah, prince will have sons. Check a few versions out and it only goes to vs 14. But, after reading through all the references of texts, I did find that his sons will have inheritances, so it’s correct, just either I wrote ref wrong or . . .
Really enjoy these sessions, very informative, and I don’t walk away confused, challenged yes, confused no! So thank you very much for making it plain! Love it!
David, the “search it out for yourself” journey is often two steps forward, one step back. Your link was ten steps back and falling over, as the moderator I thought I’d spare the listeners. You say you have denounced Paul as a false prophet, did you know the synoptic gospels were written after, and were influenced by, Paul’s writings?
It’s great to hear Rabbi Tovia Singer on this show! I love listening to him but I don’t think he was too convincing about the problems with the genealogy of Yeshua.
Matt 1:16 mentions Joseph the husband of Mary which most people quote in English which comes from the Greek. But a couple Hebrew Matthew manuscripts mention Joseph the father (avi) of Mary. In addition, the Aramaic Peshitta mentions Joseph the father (givra) of Mary. Luke mentions a different genealogy through Nathan son of David, therefore the father of Joseph is Heli, but notice in Matthew’s genealogy the father of Joseph is not Heli but Jacob because this is the genealogy through Solomon son of David the Messianic line of which Mary descends. So Matthew’s genealogy shows Mary’s line, and Luke shows Joseph’s line (Yeshua’s stepfather).
Here are five scripture references that clearly demonstrate God’s meticulous reversal of the curses he pronounced on Jehoiachin hinting at his repentance and forgiveness.
31 And it came to pass in the seven and thirtieth year of the captivity of Jehoiachin king of Judah, in the twelfth month, in the five and twentieth day of the month, that Evil-merodach king of Babylon, in the first year of his reign, lifted up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah, and brought him forth out of prison. 32 And he spoke kindly to him, and set his throne above the throne of the kings that were with him in Babylon. 33 And he changed his prison garments, and did eat bread before him continually all the days of his life. 34 And for his allowance, there was a continual allowance given him of the king of Babylon, every day a portion until the day of his death, all the days of his life. {P} – Jeremiah 52:31-34
The descendants of Jehoiachin even though the curse mentions he would go childless: 17 And the sons of Jeconiah–the same is Assir–Shealtiel his son; 18 and Malchiram, and Pedaiah, and Shenazzar, Jekamiah, Hoshama, and Nedabiah. – 1 Chronicles 3:17-18.
The curse included exile and they would desire to return but they shall not, however in Ezra 2:1 we read:
1 Now these are the children of the province, that went up out of the captivity of those that had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and that returned unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city; 2 who came with Zerubbabel, Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel:
The curse also mentioned that his seed would not rule in Judah but in Haggai 2:21 we read:
21 ‘Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying: I will shake the heavens and the earth;
This next scripture is perhaps the most damning evidence against the Jehoiachin curse argument because here the scripture is verbatim as in Jeremiah 22:24 meaning that God wanted us to connect those two passages clearly demonstrating His reversal on the curse.
23 In that day, saith Yehovah of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, My servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith Yehovah, and will make thee as a signet; for I have chosen thee, saith Yehovah of hosts.’ {P} – Haggai 2:23
Jono, I am not sure you are correct when you said the apostles got influenced by Paul’s letters to tell the story themselves witnessed. Paul didn’t spend any time with the apostles as himself said. I have to confess (and apparently you don’t like this point of view) I have several problems with Paul.
He scolded people for seeking a secular person to judge between brothers, but himself called for Cesar to judge him, which caused him to go to prison.
In my opinion, Paul is not very different than any other bible teacher we see today. He was human and his written words sometimes comes from God and other times comes from his experience as a person. He told people not to fight with each other, but then, he had such a bad argument with someone that made them take different path. Can’t remember who it was.
My point is that Paul is not God and it is not that hard to find many problems with him and even discard him and still be in good standing with the Almighty.
Have a good Shabbat and many blessings,
Roberta, thank you for your comment. I do not always publish comments with links. Your previous comment regarding Coniah was not published because it relies heavily on eisegesis.
Concerning Paul, if I recall correctly I made reference to the writers of the synoptic gospels not the apostles in general. You may want to consider the following verses:
Now Barnabas was determined to take with them John called Mark. But Paul insisted that they should not take with them the one who had departed from them in Pamphylia, and had not gone with them to the work. Then the contention became so sharp that they parted from one another. And so Barnabas took Mark and sailed to Cyprus. – Acts 15:37-39
…as do Mark, Aristarchus, Demas, Luke, my fellow laborers. – Philemon 1:24
Jono,
Thank you on being so kind to explain why you didn’t post the video. I know it is a complicated subject and it is not a waste of time to check every opinion. So, if you allow me, can I post the name of it so others can check the argument? I understand if you don’t, it is your site and you filter what you decide.
The curse of Jeconiah is the name of the video.
Now, about the virgin birth, my brothers and sisters might gasp when reading this but I don’t believe it happened. It is not a requirement for someone to be a child of God. All you need to be a son of God it is to live by the Torah.
If we learn a little about Greek Mythology we can see how it was a normal thing for “gods” to have “god’s children” with natural women and I suspect it was an addition to the scriptures (Luke only btw) in an attempt to get the Greeks to accept Jesus as a Messiah.
Many blessings,
Roberta
Jono, Philemon was written by Onesimus in the name of Paul and Timothy. I think verse 24 qualifies as a Onesimus writing from his own perspective in the signoff. I think I understood what you were getting at. If not, I apologize.
Shalom! Jono I sincerely thank you and I thank our Father who gave you this ministry that is opening the eyes of all who were blind to the truth!The discussion who is the Ezekiel prince left me low and disappointed with the level of ignorance and lack of knowledge present in the church named Christian today. I have been teaching replacement theology, Satan being the Cherub Ezek 28:14; my teacher born in Java taught with such masterly that I was convinced with the fairy tale. I was humbled by Tovia Singer, this is what I’ve been longing for I want this meat not crumbs!!!, like a Berean (Acts 17:11) I’m searching and I found so much around this Prince of Tyre whose enormity of his accomplishments crazed him and deluded him into self deification! some commentaries state that he believed he will live for ever because many kings died and he outlived them. 21 kings from David’s descendants and 21 kings of Israel, 5 prophets and 10 high priests(Art scroll Tanach Yechezkel(1980;1989). well done we at Beit Midrash Nissi are so impressed and we are learning so much from Thruth2u Radio.