Debunking 365 Messianic Prophecies – He Shall Be Called a Nazarene? – Rabbi Michael Skobac

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And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, “He shall be called a Nazarene.” – Matthew 2:23

Join us as we continue to investigate the alleged 365 messianic prophesies in the Tanakh that Jesus supposedly fulfilled in the New Testament!

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37 Comments

  1. Larry Cheshier says

    Our creator is the God of Israel. He told us He would send one we must obey. He sent Him in the person of Yeshua. The more time you spend trying to convince others that this is not the case, fighting the will of YHVH, the more time you continue to waste. All people will come to see that Yeshua is the Messiah told of to us by Moshe and promised to us by YHVH. The Torah, the Prophets and the Writings tell us who Messiah will be, the Gospels show us who He is – Yeshua. Ask God to show you who the Messiah is with an open heart and He will.

  2. CBB says

    Larry, I’ve searched and searched the Jewish Scriptures to find where we are commanded to believe in “The Messiah,” and if we don’t we are going to hell forever. Do you know what that reference is?

  3. Greg says

    CBB… Start in Shemoth 3:21…. 🙂 Yahuwah said “…for my name is IN HIM….” that is our first clue… 🙂

  4. drdaveperry says

    CBB – Read Gen.3:15, 49:10 , De 18:15 , Pr 30:4 , Act 3:22; 7:37

  5. jono vandor says

    Shemoth 3:21 – “And I will put this people’s favor in the eyes of the Egyptians, and it will come to pass that when you go, you will not go empty handed.”

  6. jono vandor says

    Dave, firstly, I will no longer publish external links. Secondly, none of the references you provided answer CBB’s question, “where we are commanded to believe in “The Messiah,” and if we don’t we are going to hell forever?”

    Listen to the following programs:

    Genesis 3:15 – http://www.truth2u.org/2014/07/god-himself-will-provide-the-lamb-rabbi-michael-skobac.html

    Genesis 49:10 – http://www.truth2u.org/2014/07/that-the-scripture-may-be-fulfilled-rabbi-michael-skobac.html

    Deut 18:15, Acts 3:22, 7:37 – http://www.truth2u.org/2014/02/jono-and-jason-a-prophet-greater-than-moses.html

    Proverbs 30:4 – http://www.truth2u.org/2014/02/tovia-singer-what-is-his-sons-name.html

  7. Carmen says

    Yup – we are certainly in the end times as outlined in the Books of Daniel and Revelation. Many simply cannot understand that the Bible (both “testaments”) are one, complete entity (an echad), from start to finish. Y’shua warned us that these things would happen, and Jono’s desire to “debunk” Y’shua and the entire NT is ample proof. This will never be settled until Y’shua returns! And this time He won’t be coming as a baby!

    Matthew 24: 3. And while Y’shua was sitting on the Mount of Olives, his disciples drew near and were saying among themselves and to him, “Tell us when these things will be and what is the sign of your coming and the end of the world.” 4. Y’shua answered and said to them, Beware, let no man deceive you. 5. For many will come in my name and will say that “I am the Mashiyach.” And many they will deceive. 6. For you are bound to hear of revolutions and rumor of wars. Watch out and do not be disturbed, for it is necessary that all these things happen, but it is not yet the end. 7. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines and plagues and earthquakes in different places. 8. But all these things are only the beginning of sorrows. 9. Then they will deliver to afflictions and they will kill you and you will be hated by all nations because of my name. 10. Then many will stumble and will hate one another and will betray one another. 11. And many false prophets will arise and deceive many. 12. And because of the growth of iniquity, the love of many will grow cold. 13. But whoever has patience until the end, he will have life. 14. And this Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come…. (AENT)

  8. drdaveperry says

    Jono – When Yah said he will send His Son Gen.3:15/Isa.7:14/Pr 30:4 – was that a pick and choose – take it or leave it at your descretion to believe it or not?

    1John 2:22 say No

  9. Joel says

    Larry Cheshier, He did send someone that we must Obey and follow, He was the Yeshua son of Nun. Had the Children of Israel Not listened to him, and had they not obeyed him, they would have never came into the Promised land!
    Their is nothing mysterious about it. I studied this for over 30 years, the last 7 years I have tried to put together a program that would connect the NT prophecies with the OT, It is impossible, unless you close your eyes and do it!

    And to be honest, now that I came out of it, I feel a whole lot better about many things… Your Yeshua is a ball and chain, it keeps you wrapped up in fear, even if you do not see or realize it.

  10. Joel says

    Larry, I say this with a lot of love, partly because I run a site with over 150 messianics on it. A month ago when I seen what I saw in the scriptures to bring me out of it, I had over 178 people, all dressing up like Jews, acting like Jews and doing Jewish things. I kept looking at what was happening and it seemed to me like we were dressing up a Greek Sun God, to look like an Ancient Jew and tagged him with the name Yeshua! All it was, was christianity with a tailit and shofar! It was like we were playing dress up dolls with the sun god. When I understood that is exactly what we were doing, it hit me.
    Matter of Fact my Best friend, told me that if this is true…. No matter how well we keep the Feast, No matter how well we keep Sabbath, We are still not keeping Torah! Worshiping any thing or anyone as G-d and claiming what we were, is breaking the 1st, 2end, third, and ninth commandments!

    Is G-d so unrighteous that he forgives and accepts Adolf Eichmann because he confessed Jesus, 3 days before his execution, into the world to come, and yet damns the millions of Jews he had his hand in killing, to an eternity of hell fire? Is this your G-d? It is the God of the New Testament! Read the book. If you do not believe in this book written in Greek, with so many mistakes in it, so many contradictions in it, but we will be condemned to hell, because you would not accept the imperfect over the perfect? Tanaka is perfect if read in Hebrew, The Greeks perverted parts of it, but that is man!

    What do you find in the New Testament? Joseph has two dads, unless you change the wording to read Mary on one of them. And also

    Matthew 1
    15 And Eli’ud begat Elea’zar; and Elea’zar begat Mat’than; and Mat’than begat Jacob;
    16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Yehoshuah, who is called Messiah.

    Luke 3
    23 And Yeshua himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi,

    Not only that but Matthew contains a person who was cursed by G-d, and left out his fathers name to make it 14… Coni’ah and Jeconi’ah same person, see Matthew 1 and 1 Chronicles 3:15~17

    Jeremiah 22
    30 Thus saith YHWH, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

    G-d gonna burn us in hell because we can’t accept this piggybacked Roman bible? Don’t sound too loving to me. I don’t want that G-d, I want the G-d of Israel, and the Rabbis, they are a light to us!

  11. CBB says

    According to Christianity if I was a 1st century Jew that didn’t believe that Jesus was “The Messiah” I would be damned to spend eternity Hell! The first question I would ask is: “Where is THAT written?” Plain, Simple, and Clear – Book, Chapter, Verse.

    The second question I would ask is: Why do you think Jesus is “The Messiah?” There isn’t universal peace, or universal knowledge of God, Ezekiel’s Temple hasn’t been built (we still have a Temple), the lost tribes are still in exile. If Jesus was “The Messiah” all these things would have happened and it would be obvious to everyone on earth!

    Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

    Where was it revealed that we must believe in the Messiah or go to HELL? This is the cornerstone doctrine of ALL Christian denominations! Allusions, types, and shadows won’t cut it! You’re talking about spending eternity in HELL!!! Would a Righteous God send people to HELL when it isn’t revealed to any of his prophets in the Tanakh?

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    Pro 30:4 … what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?

    Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

    Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

    Looks like Israel to me.

  12. Joel says

    Carmen, I believed that for 55 years, until my eyes were opened.
    You say he is and worship him, if he is not, then you worship an idol!
    If he is not, then you break the 1st, 2nd, 3ed, and ninth commandments to start with.
    I think that would be a call to put aside the preconceived notions, and to really study it out.
    You see it works both ways… If he is messiah, then Otto Adolf Eichmann has a first class ticket into heaven, and me and the millions of Jews that Eichmann murdered goes to hell. Hey I’m ready, I got it sorted out for me! I also believe I have the truth to it!

  13. Carmen says

    Joel – You think I believe in a myth – but you see nothing wrong with what YOU believe. You never stop to think, ‘Hmmm…I believe in a God I’ve never seen. I believe He created the universe and everything in it. I believe He created a man out of dirt and a woman out of that man’s rib. I believe Cain killed Abel and that Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals and that God saved Noah and his family from a flood that covered the whole earth. And by George, I believe that Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego went into a furnace and came out unscathed. Yeah, and I also believe that Moses parted the sea and that he saw God in a burning bush, and that a donkey actually talked to Baal. I believe all BY FAITH, but by God I will NOT believe that God sent us His Messiah 2,000 years ago!

    Joel, you were hoodwinked in church by people who were too dense to figure out that it’s Same God, same rules (why would He have different rules for His Natural and Adopted children???)…and now you got yourself hoodwinked into believing “the other side” because YOU were too hard-headed to figure out that Y’shua and all the Apostles and everything they ever taught led back to TORAH! It never occurred to you that Romans 3:31 says: 31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish Torah….

    No, you couldn’t figure that out on your own, and because you couldn’t, heck, the whole NT must be wrong and it’s time to cherry pick the Scriptures!

    I wish you well, Joel. But don’t ever try to tell me I haven’t studied Scripture. Unless you’re living with me and know what brought me to this point, and can see what I do on a daily basis, you need to keep your OPINIONS about me to YOURSELF!

    And yeah, bring it on. I already know I’ll be creamed for saying something. I’m getting used to being pounded by you and a few others every week. But unlike you hypocritical former xtians who vacillate and change religions every five minutes, you guys will NEVER see me leave YHWH/Y’shua/Torah, no matter how much of a Torah concussion you try to give me every week.

  14. Joel says

    Carmen, I have never yet pounced on you. I have not even spoken to you before my last post. I did not say you did not study scripture, I see you posting all the time from the Roman Bible, like we accept what is written in it.

    My post to you was not to attack you in any way, however the theology that comes from the Roman bible, is completely polar opposites then what comes from the Tanaka on many levels.

    I not only study scriptures, I study history, and I can see just what happened. And when you see something wrong, then either you change or you try to change the things around you to make it fit. I’m very much willing to change if it alines myself with the one that created me.

    You say I am hoodwinked, because I could not find any truth in the church, or in the messianic movement? because I do not follow others.but run when I see the falseness of their teaching? You, are a member of Shema Yisrael http://shemayisrael.ning.com/ Aren’t you? I put out the letters that it is changing, you are invited to stay, or you are invited to leave, that is up to you. But as far as me, I will serve Hashem and no other god!

    If I am so dense, then let it be so…. But when G-d tells me He is God and there is no other besides him, then I see all the mistakes and things in the Roman Bible that is clearly deception, I have to ask, how many mistakes does there have to be before I come to realize it is not divinely written? How many mistakes will I accept? It is not the same God,…. G-d Is One

    Thank you….

  15. Joel says

    History will uncover a whole lot
    And it goes back to the Beginning
    Flavius Josephus declared Flavius Vespasian as God to save his neck…
    Flavius Titus Became the Son of God. This is your God…..
    Who appointed the saints? The Emperors You can find this in history, But not in the Roman Bible that escaped the book burning that left scrolls and books in caves by the dead sea……

    It is kind of funny looking back on it, I came up with my conclusions three or 4 days before I even got that video. I was missing part of the puzzle, not seeing something because I thought the Greeks did it, partly because it was written in Greek.
    When that video come to me, it was like a virgin birth, I did not search it, I did not know about it. It just appeared on my desktop in youtube, like it was given to me. a few days after I watched it, it disappeared off youtube. I sat here for three days thinking the Greeks had done this and pulled the wool over our eyes, And it was not them, it was Roman, the people who changed things and added things in the book….
    You tell me now, why all the first saints were from the House of Flavius??? These names are not duplicate people, only duplicate names!
    St. Flavia
    St. Flavia Domitilla
    St. Flavian
    St. Flavian
    St. Flavian & Elias
    St. Flavian of Autun
    St. Flavian of Constantinople
    St. Flavianus
    St. Flavius
    St. Flavius Clemens

    Who is History appointed these saints?
    After the death of Palladius in 498, Flavian was appointed by Emperor Anastasius I as Patriarch of Antioch on the condition that he accepted the Henotikon. However, during his reign as patriarch, Flavian did not show any opposition to Chalcedonianism.

    It was a change of Power, it morphed… The 4th kingdom of Daniel 2 Morphed and is now spread thou-out all the world! Like a Horror film. There has been more Jews killed and tormented because of that book then all the wars in the world.

    Flavia Domitilla (saint) was daughter of Domitilla the Younger by an unknown father, perhaps Quintus Petillius Cerialis. She married her cousin, the consul Titus Flavius Clemens. He was the son of Titus Flavius Sabinus,

    Now, Isn’t Flavius Titus the one that destroyed the Temple in 70 AD?
    Her Husband was his son’s brother? Can you say government sponsored history? Sounds to me like a family project!

    Early as AD 52 and 95 AD, Isnt this the time the Roman bible was wrote? But yet they became saints? There is something funny here if Roam persecuted Christians!

    Clemens also married one of his cousins, Flavia Domitilla, daughter of Vespasian’s daughter, Domitilla, who was thus also a niece of Domitian. They had two sons, whom Domitian
    intended to succeed him in the empire, renaming one of them Vespasian and the other Domitian. However, in AD 95, when Clemens and the emperor were consuls, Domitian had his cousin put to death.[2]

    Titus Flavius T. f. T. n. Clemens was a nephew of the Roman Emperor Vespasian. He was the son of Titus Flavius Sabinus, consul in AD 52 and praefectus urbi during the reign of Nero, and a brother of Titus Flavius Sabinus, consul in AD 82. The emperors Titus and Domitian were his cousins. http://en.wikipedia.org/…/Titus_Flavius_Clemens…

  16. Joel says

    I often wondered why in Daniel 2 it spoke of the 4 kingdoms, and the prophecies sounding it. And I sat here wondering, if Roam was destroyed, then the Messianic kingdom should be!
    That is what the prophecy says, when the 4th kingdom is destroyed by the kingdom that last forever, We would be in the Messianic kingdom. This has always bugged me because I had believed the Roam Empire had been destroyed many centuries before, but yet, no Messianic kingdom!

    Then I understood, that all the churches, all the Jesus/Yeshua worship come from Chalcedonianism, Chalcedonianism, came out of Roam, the very start of Christianity! Roam was never destroyed, but the clay kept it alive, long enough to rebuild the iron, and spread… and they do not cleave to each other, we have separation of church and state, and so many denotations you can not count them, each one claiming they are right. Now I understand the prophecy! Roam was never destroyed, but like a parasite it attached to it’s host and it was hard to find. It piggybacked on the Hebrew Bible…..

    Daniel 2
    43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
    44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
    45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

  17. Talmid Kirk Todd says

    It is amazing when someone think that they haven’t asked Yah is Yeshua Messiah and He didn’t say he is NOT the one!

  18. Joel says

    According to Christianity Otto Adolf Eichmann has a first class ticket to heaven, seeing he accepted Christ in 1962 just three days before his execution, but the millions of Jews he killed gets to burn forever….
    He was so sure of it, he made this speech just before being hung in 1962….

    “Long live Germany. Long live Argentina. Long live Austria. These are the three countries with which I have been most connected and which I will not forget. I greet my wife, my family and my friends. I am ready. We’ll meet again soon, as is the fate of all men. I die believing in God.”

    That is the perverted logic of the parasite roman bible that has clung to the Hebrew Scriptures.

    I think he will have a big surprise….

  19. Carmen says

    Joel, the mere fact that you keep writing this drivel about Eichmann proves you know nothing about Messiah Y’shua! First of all, just because someone says they “believe in God” doesn’t mean “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” Secondly, even IF he said it, God KNOWS our hearts and He KNOWS what we have done!

    Anyone who is guilty of doing what Hitler and Eichmann did to YHWH’s CHOSEN isn’t necessarily getting into heaven, so STOP proclaiming nonsense!

    Genesis 12:3 – “I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

    Matthew 7:20 “…So you will recognize them by their fruit. 21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants. 22 On that Day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we expel demons in your name? Didn’t we perform many miracles in your name?’ 23 Then I will tell them to their faces, ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’….”

    Eichmann hardly did “what my Father in heaven wants,” did he? And by the way, “workers of lawless” = those without TORAH!

    But IF there truly was a “heart change” in Eichmann, then it’s not up to you, Joel, to bash him for it! And it’s also not up to you to suggest that “the millions of Jews he killed gets to burn forever.” YOU DON’T KNOW THAT and YOU are not God’s personal spokesman!

  20. Donald says

    CBB
    The only place it has been revealed is in the New Testament. You can search Tanakh from beginning to end an you will not find the cornerstone of Christianity.

  21. Joel says

    Carmen I have not said a word to you, You sit there and falsely accuse me, thinking you know me or who I am. I studied enough about yeshua to know his daddy has two fathers. I studied enough about him to know that he separates himself from the law they say he wrote, I studied enough about him to know this who thing is nothing but lies, Blood atonement is not the only way, You also have repentance! I studied enough about him to know they had to change the Tanaka to fit prophecies, You want to cherry pick and change the written word to match what you believe, go right ahead,

    Yeshua Distance himself from the law if he wrote it saying their law? And in the Greek it says Their Law? And it is really a psalm about David’s life (Psalms 69:4)!

    John 15
    25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

    Joseph And two different fathers
    Matthew 1
    15 And Eli’ud begat Elea’zar; and Elea’zar begat Mat’than; and Mat’than begat Jacob;
    16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Yehoshuah, who is called Messiah.

    Luke 3
    23 And Yeshua himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi,

    I CAN TELL WHEN TWO DIFFERENT STATEMENTS DO NOT LINE UP!

    Romans 11
    26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
    27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

    Isaiah 59
    20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith YHWH. 21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith YHWH; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith YHWH, from henceforth and for ever.

    Why Yeshua uses a pray from the life of David to say it was prophecy? And David Himself said he sinned against God. Did Yeshua sin against God?

    John 13
    18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

    Making it a point to fulfill scripture, but that scripture is by a man who’s plea is because he is full of sin. “but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.”

    Psalms 41
    4 I said, YHWH, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee
    9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

    Would a perfect God give us a perfect Hebrew Bible, then give us an imperfect Greek Bible, and tell us if we can’t believe the imperfect Greek Bible, we will burn in hell???? Jesus sure seemed to get angry to the people who did not accept it, according to scripture! THERE IS MORE GOING ON HERE!!!!!!!

    Now, GET OFF MY BACK! You dont want to have nothing to do with me, then have nothing to do with me, be consistent!

  22. Joel says

    You got nerve calling anyone hypocritical!

  23. Joel says

    Go add your name to your wall of false teachers and point out your own problems…
    How do I know Eichmann did not repent.. LOOK what he said,

    “Long live Germany. Long live Argentina. Long live Austria. These are the three countries with which I have been most connected and which I will not forget. I greet my wife, my family and my friends. I am ready. We’ll meet again soon, as is the fate of all men. I die believing in God.”

    But what he did not say was, G-d Bless Israel, Or G-d Bless the Jewish People! Or I am so sorry!!!

    You can tell a lot by what is not said! It is an old Quaker way to study!

  24. Joel says

    You know, I often said actions speak louder then words.
    I came here, not teaching but sharing my notes, Sharing what I have saw.
    I am always open for sincere debate, digging for the truth.
    That is what I seek, Truth, that is what I try to study and learn.

    Debate is not falsely accusing someone, trying to talk down to someone, belittling another person, or trying to make them feel less then anything other then human. That is not what debate is, that is not what sharing is.

    For another person to pretend they know someone, know their heart, know their minds, know their walk and bring fourth what I have witnessed here to me is unreal. it is what you expect to find in a church when questioning a preacher or a popular doctrine.

    I started out attacking no one, but sharing information, leaving it up for others who may not have accessed the same information. I am not out to change anyone’s mind, or heart about a subject. They have free wil given to them by G-dl, I also have free will, and it is not for them to try and shame me or take it away in any manner. I use my will to try and find truth, if I find it, I must either conform to it, or walk away from it. If I do not conform to what I know as true, then I might as well walk away, or then I become a hypocrite.

    I have been personally attacked here, twice now by only one person, Oddly enough it is the one person who has stated She would be creamed for saying something. (hypocritical) I have yet to see any hatefulness from others of the type that is displayed by this person coming towards me, and I will not be pulled into any form of battle by this person.

    Let it be known now, that this person is on my ignore list, for future references.
    I will answer nothing from or to her!
    She neither knows me, nor knows my walk, but yet she speaks like she does.
    It is, the same thing I would expect to see in a church.

    Thank You.

  25. Carmen says

    You never said a word to me, Joel? Hmmm….Please feel free to search on my name here – which you invoked and which got me to respond!

    “Carmen, I believed that for 55 years, until my eyes were opened.
    You say he is and worship him, if he is not, then you worship an idol!
    If he is not, then you break the 1st, 2nd, 3ed, and ninth commandments to start with.
    I think that would be a call to put aside the preconceived notions, and to really study it out.
    You see it works both ways… If he is messiah, then Otto Adolf Eichmann has a first class ticket into heaven, and me and the millions of Jews that Eichmann murdered goes to hell. Hey I’m ready, I got it sorted out for me! I also believe I have the truth to it! – See more at: http://www.truth2u.org/2015/01/debunking-365-messianic-prophecies-he-shall-be-called-a-nazarene-rabbi-michael-skobac.html?replytocom=86778#respond

    You have been VERY prolific on this thread (and other “debunking” radio programs) – which, in case you hadn’t noticed – is all about “debunking” the prophecies on MY website…..

    Yeah, I will definitely get off your back, Joel, because you clearly can’t handle it when people “talk back” to you while you are busy telling them they believe in an IDOL, and suggesting they are IDIOTS..

    This type of nonsense is exactly the reason I stopped communicating with you in your “Messianic” group back in 2011 where I now realize I wasted my time consoling you about your many problems – financial, health,heart attacks, cancer, which you didn’t hesitate to share with the world…Not to mention, you were forever “going to close the group”….I had no clue until you mentioned it above that I was still part of that group, or that the group was still up!

    Well, I’m out of it, now. Feel free to continue bashing people like me and then denying that you did – but I am shaking the dust off my feet. Have a nice life.

  26. Joel says

    I feel like I’m reading the NT *l*
    When I put a website above the truth, then I’m in trouble….
    When I place a website above any one person, I am in trouble…

    Carman, I made one post to you, not attacking you in anyway, but telling of what I see. I believe I talked about me in that post, I talked about other things also, but it was mostly about me! I was trained that way, Never say YOU…. But I understand you was not, that is ok.

    You have not stopped attacking me since then!

    Fine.. I don’t need you. Good thing I didn’t shut the website down, I can get the word out about us being lied to all alone, Then shut it down…. It all works out.
    I’m more interested in what G-d has to say, Not my website, not your website, and not the Roman Bible….

    You have a nice life! and oh yea…. (SMOOOOOOOOCH)

    Thank you!

  27. Joel says

    I had never hated Yeshua/Jesus, But I have hated a lie.

    In trying to trace the History of Jesus, back, It became like a twilight zone of disinformation! I worked on a program for the last 7 years trying to connect the dots between the old testament and the new. Trying to make an easy program to connect the prophecies. I have a degree in Computer information systems, and have studied also to be a pastor, but above all, I wanted truth!

    it was just a month ago, I was sitting here listening to INR, When Jono Vandor came on from Truth2you, and I heard him tell a few Rabbi’s that Jesus was not the Messiah. I liked to have fainted. This was Jono from truth2you saying Jesus was not the Messiah? I had always had a respect for Jono, but hardly ever listened to him. I had listened to Truth2you around 2011 very often. I had stopped listening to Truth2u a few years before and this was something I had to check out.

    I had the link on my website with many other links, so… I came and started hearing Rabbi Skobac! I was stunned by what I was hearing, and I have the Interlinear scripture analyzer, E-sword, and many other things on my computer, along with a Torah scroll and JPS on my desk. I thought I was studied up. But what I was hearing was new, fresh, it made sense to me. My Eyes were opened to the depths of lies we had inherited. It seems with the Messianic movement, we are told the Torah is not done away with, then we are held there. But that was just throwing the dog a bone, still keeping the reality of the depth of the lies hidden.

    I guess it was about the tenth program, that I knew, I knew that we had been lied to in such a way as to have created a monster! My Jaw was dropped for three days, I did not want to tell anyone, I couldn’t. I’d lose my friends, I’d lose everything I had worked for. All I could write and say to my study partner in Chicago was, My First letter to her was, “You will not believe what I have found! It is so sinister, you just will not believe it!” Then all I could say for three days was, “It is not looking good for the home team.” We are to that point, that we use that phrase a lot now :D.

    When I was studying to be a Pastor I came down with a rare and deadly form of cancer in 2006, I was given 3 days to live. In 2007 I came walking out of the hospital, I never said it was a curse, I have often said it was a blessing. It turned me around to search out G-d, on my own. I Started Keeping Sabbath, and progressed from there. I wrote about it, as a testimonial on my site. When I got out of the hospital, I spent two weeks on my knees crying and asking G-d what does He want from me. Then I dropped out of Bible school, and started searching for Him. That has lead me to, today, and dropping this Jesus lie, it feels like a load dropped off my back. It is going to be a whole new life, and I can’t wait to see the show!

    Thank you for helping to bring me out of the darkness, out of the lies and out of the bondage! I used to think I would die for Christ…. No, I would not, I will live for the L-rd G-d that is in Heaven……

    Joel

  28. Larry says

    The Jesus lie is just that. Constantine and the non-Jewish leaders of the early church took the Jewish messiah and created their own religion. But, Messiah has come in the person of Yeshua. Our Creator, YHVH, the God of Israel, sent Him as He told us He would through Moshe. All the original believers were Jews who received the Ruach. Yeshua came and will come again. Follow the Tanakh and come to know Him. Don’t be blinded by rabbinical teachings which do not follow the Word of YHVH. In the book of Daniel we are told that Messiah will come before the destruction of the Second Temple. God is not a liar. The Hebrew Matthew recently made available will help in understanding the truth. In Yeshua’s love. Larry

  29. Sophiee Saguy says

    Joel, I truly enjoyed reading your last post. What a wonderful path to HaShem you have had!

    To the Christians here, I realize that you believe you are right and that you want to help people to find G-d. Your intentions are good. Jews, B”H, know G-d. We have a personal relationship with Him, which began with the patriarchs. He spoke directly to our ancestors at Sinai — 3 million of them. We don’t believe because of some stories we have heard, or some book we have read. We believe because our own fathers were there, witnessed Him and have passed the information to us from one generation to the next. . . l’dor v’dor. . .

    If you listen to Rabbi Skobac you will see that he is not “anti” Christianity. He is explaining the verse in the Jewish bible and then explaining how it was misquoted, or mistranslated — or simply misunderstood. Don’t take his word for it. . . research it for yourself. Better yet, learn Hebrew and discover it for yourself!

    G-d describes avodah zarah (idolatry — literally “strange worship”) in D’varim / Deuteronomy 13:7-9 – and it is the death knell to Christianity – even to those who do not “worship” Jesus but claim to only “pray in his name.” —

    “[This is what you must do] if your blood brother, your son, your daughter, your bosom wife, or your closest friend secretly tries to act as a missionary among you, and says, ‘Let us go worship a new god. LET US HAVE A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN BY YOU OR YOUR FATHER.’ 13:8 [He may be enticing you with] the gods of the nations around you, far or near, or those that are found at one end of the world or another. 13:9 Do not agree with him, and do not listen to him.” D’varim / Deuteronomy 13:7-9

    The key phrase here is LET US HAVE A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN BY YOU OR YOUR FATHER

    Praying to or “through” Jesus was not a spiritual experience known to our ancestors at Mount Sinai – hence it is obviously idolatry.

    When did “our fathers”, present at Sinai, have a spiritual experience with Jesus? Was Jesus “known” to them? Did they pray to Jesus or through Jesus? Of course not! Jesus was unknown to them.

    Ergo G-d warned us against both Christianity and Islam — any spiritual experience not known to us at Mount Sinai is false. It is not the Rabbis who have “changed” or turned to avodah zarah — it is those apostate Jews who pray to or through a man and put that man above the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    There are many, many more quotes in the Jewish bible which re-enforce the very clear message given in D’varim / Deuteronomy 13. . .

    Remember the first things of old, that I am G-d and there is no other; I am G-d and there is none like Me. Isaiah 46:9

    There is none like Him. There is NO OTHER.

    See now that I myself am He! There is no god except Me . . (Deuteronomy 32:39)

    “I am HaShem; that is my name; and my “glory will I not give to another” (Isaiah 42:7).

    G-d is the Supreme Being, and there is none other besides Him! (Deuteronomy 4:35)

  30. Sophiee Saguy says

    Larry wrote (in a comment above) “In the book of Daniel we are told that Messiah will come before the destruction of the Second Temple.” Larry is referencing Daniel 9 — and it doesn’t speak of “the” Messiah (capital “M”) at all. The King James Version (KJV) took incredible editorial license when it translated Daniel 9 and most Christian versions continue to do so. They translate the Hebrew word “moshiach” as “messiah” (or even the Messiah) once or twice in Daniel 9 — even though they have not done so the other 39 times it appears in the bible, (39!!!). In fact the KJV and others only translate the word as “messiah” in Daniel 9!

    The word “messiah” (anointed one) is used dozens of times to speak of David, Saul, Solomon, Cyrus, Aaron and others as “moshiach” and the KJV translates it as “anointed” not “messiah.”

    They are giving the reader the impression that this particular anointed one is very special. It assumes that this anointed person is different from every other anointed one in the Jewish bible.

    A second thing the KJV does is to capitalize the letter “M” in “messiah.” There are no capital letters in Hebrew, but the KJV translates “the anointed one: (moshiach) in Daniel 9 not as “a messiah” with a small letter “m” but capitalizes the “M” it to make it seem more impressive and as if Daniel were speaking of only one messiah — Jsus.

    Next the KJV puts the definite article “the” in front of “messiah” (“the messiah”) although the Hebrew word for “the” does not appear at all (‘ha”).

    KJV = “the Messiah.”

    True translation: “an anointed one”

    Why did the KJV do falsify the definitive article (the word “the” in front of the word “messiah”? Why did the translators capitalize the “M” in “messiah”? Why do they translated “moshiach” as “anointed one” everywhere else in their translation, but only in Daniel 9 do they make these three falsehoods. . .

    “the”
    capital letter “M”
    “Messiah” (instead of “anointed one”)
    ?

    The KJV translators wanted to program our minds that this passage is speaking of “the Messiah”, aka “Jsus.” If they had translated Daniel 9 properly “an anointed one will come” they would not have assumed it was “the messiah” or Jsus.

    There is a much more serious problem with the KJV. They compress two periods of time into one period of time. This is the major problem with the KJV.

    The KJV takes 7 weeks and 62 weeks and compresses it into 69 weeks — which is a total distortion.

    The passage in Daniel says that an anointed prince (moshiach nagid) will come after 7 weeks (49 years). After this there are 62 weeks (434 years) and a second anointed person appears and that one is cut off.

    A question we like to ask Chrstian missionaries speaking of Daniel 9 is “who are the TWO messiahs being spoken of here?”

    The first one after 49 years (7 weeks)
    The second one after 434 years (62 weeks) who will be cut off.

    The KJV makes it seem as if there is only ONE messiah and that he will be cut off after 483 years.

    If it were 69 Hebrew would say “69” (sixty + nine). Daniel 9 says “7 and 62” (seven yeas and sixty-two years). They are obviously two distinct time frames, not one time frame. But the Chrstian translators are trying to make Daniel 9 seem to be about only one messiah (when it really speaks of two messiahs / anointed ones) and one time frame leading up to the death of Jsus instead of two separate time frames and two separate anointed ones. Thus they speak of 69 years and not seven years and sixty-two years.

    The King James ignores the Hebrew grammar in Daniel 9 which very clearly tells us the seven years and the sixty-two years are two time frames. “Shavuim shiva” (7 weeks) has an etnach punctuation mark after it:

    “7 weeks;”

    An etnach is a mid-verse pause. A break in the flow of the text. An etnach is a Hebrew version of a semicolon or a break (similar to a period it puts a “stop” after a word). The King James totally ignores the etnach! The etnach makes it clear that there is a BREAK after the 7 weeks and before the 62 weeks — it is dishonest to lump them together as “69 weeks.”

    The KJV puts the semicolon after the 69 weeks, not between the 7 weeks ; (etnach) and 62 weeks. This is either very sloppy translating, or far more likely — total dishonesty to make the case for Jsus by mistranslating the text.

    Look at verse 26 next. It proves the 62 weeks is a completely separate time frame from the first 7 weeks.
    “And after 3 score and 2 weeks”
    In line 25 the KJV translators inserted the definitive article “the” in front of “Messiah” even though it does not occur in the text. Now the KJV leaves out the definite article “the” which is IN the Hebrew):
    after the sixty-two weeks this anointed one is cut off (Daniel 9:26)
    Having added “the” to messiah they ignore “the” when it relates to the 62 weeks! They are trying to avoid the fact that “THE 62 weeks” are completely separate from the first 7? After all Daniel 9 does not say “after the 69 weeks,” but “after THE 62 weeks”!

    There are no 69 weeks, there are 7 weeks and 62 weeks. There is not one time frame, but two.

    There is not one “the Messiah,” but two separate anointed ones: the first is an anointed prince (moshiach nagid) who will arrive after the first 7 weeks (49 years) and the second is simply “an anointed one” who will be cut off after 62 weeks (434 years).

  31. Sophiee Saguy says

    I am truly sorry for being so “wordy” — but I still need to respond to Larry’s claim that the messiah had to “come” 2000 years ago. Totally false.

    Daniel 9 is speaking of the Jews who return from Babylonian Exile. Daniel tells them that they have time — from when the word goes forth to rebuild Jerusalem (by the first messiah, Cyrus, whom G-d even CALLS His messiah in the bible). Isaiah 45:1. “So said HaShem to His messiah, to Cyrus, whose right hand I held, to flatten nations before him, and the loins of kings I will loosen, to open portals before him, and gates shall not be closed.”

    From the time Cyrus gives the word to rebuild Jerusalem to a potential second exile the Jews have the opportunity to avoid a second exile. BUT, they don’t repent and turn whole heartedly back to G-d. If they did repent they could avoid the second exile (this is where the second anointed one / messiah comes into Daniel 9). This happened. The Jews did not return to G-d. There was a lot of turmoil in the second Temple period, Jew against Jew. The result was that the Jews WERE exiled about 2000 years ago.

    But neither messiah was “the” messiah. “The” messiah will return the Jews from exile, bring world peace, etc. Jesus (needless to say) did not fulfill the prophecies of the true messiah.

  32. Larry says

    Why do you not do as He called us to do and call Him by His name? YHVH are the letters He gave. Do what our Creator told us to do. Follow the Tanakh, not rabbinical teachings made by men. Read the “Conspiracy of Silence” by Nehemia Gordon. In Yeshua’s love.

  33. Sophiee Saguy says

    Larry, the Rabbis are merely teachers. They do not change the mitzvot in the Torah. Vayikra / Leviticus 22:32 tells us to sanctify his name and to not profane His name. This is the bible, Larry, not the Rabbis. Using G-d’s holy name cavalierly is Chilul Hashem — a desecration of His name. It shows a lack of respect.

    You see, Larry, Jews are very careful to follow the mitzvot of the Torah. The myth that the rabbis somehow turned Torah on its head is anti-semitic claptrap. The Rabbis protect and teach G-d’s words, they do not distort it. Others do that.

  34. Darren says

    Why were the Jewish people given an ultimatum by these men? They all appear to have the same agenda, which is to forsake their God and to either worship them, or die.

    Antiochus IV Ephiphanes:

    “a decree was issued ordering the neighboring Greek cities to act in the same way against the Jews: oblige them to partake of the sacrifices, and put to death those who would not consent to adopt the customs of the Greeks.”
    – 2 Maccabees 6:1–11

    Emperor Hadrian:

    “Hadrian then banished the remaining Jews from the region and renamed it Syria Palaestina after the traditional enemies of the Jewish people, the Philistines. He ordered a public burning of the Torah, executed the Jewish scholars, and prohibited the practice and observance of Judaism.”
    – Ancient History Encyclopedia

    Jesus / Yeshua:

    “He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
    – John 8:23,24

  35. Roberta says

    Jono, how to contact you? I could not find an email on the website.

    Are you planning on doing a Passover Special on the prophecies Debunked? Huge controversy going on now.

    I have been reading in some Messianic websites that Jesus is not a passover lamb anymore. Refiner’s fire is very clear to say on the page that Passover is not a sin sacrifice and Jesus is not the passover lamb, but others say for sure he is. I confess that when I became Messianic and celebrate the feasts, this was my lingering question, he could not fulfill the requirements of these two feasts and the Yom Kippur that was the one for sin. No matter how much “Contorsionism” I tried to do with the scriptures, it just wouldn’t fit,

    Of course, if you add mysticism or slices pieces of verses here and there and make a quilted-text it might get close. But at the end it is the story: Don’t question, Satan is trying to deceive you, You are losing your faith, maybe your didn’t really convert, aren’t you grateful for what Yeshua/Jesus did for you? Just believe, just believe..

    Back to the subject:

    The problem of affirming that he isn’t goes against the following passages and, lets say, the whole context of the new contextament. It does say he is the passover lamb, fulfilled the requirements of the passover lamb, died at the SEASON OF PASSOVER. Also he died for the sins of the world.

    A Christian/Messianic that do not accept this, is going against the core doctrine of the New Contextament. The communion IS to memorialize his sacrifice. Eat in the memory of me etc. The eaten sacrifice IS the passover lamb.

    The only place where Yom Kippur is alluded to was in the anonymous writing directed to the Hebrews.

    Jesus is a sin sacrifice:

    I John 1-7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

    Matthew 26:26-28 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”

    Revelation 7:14: I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Jesus is a passover lamb:

    1 Corinthians 5:7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.

    1 Peter 1:18-19: For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

    * without blemish and redemption are passover words

    John 19:32, 33, 36: The soldiers therefore came, and broke the legs of the first man, and of the other man who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs;… For these things came to pass, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, “Not a bone of Him shall be broken.”

    Jesus First Fruits:

    1 Corinthians 15. ‘The Messiah has been raised from the dead, as the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.’

    Lamb (passover allusion) and sin:

    John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

    Unclear, what the blood does, but it is the lamb:

    Revelation 12:11: “And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even to death.

  36. Roberta says

    The cult system works more or less like this, from what I learned so far about cults:

    – The leader is a connection/mediator between God and his followers.
    – The leader can not be questioned, or it would as questioning God Himself.
    – The leader acts against God’s laws and goodness and if anyone points out the contradiction, the response is “don’t limit God, He can do anything and He told me to do this or that”
    – The leader has superpowers
    – The followers make new followers
    – The followers must cut ties with family and friends
    – Anyone outside the group is on the side of Evil
    – There is an Evil being trying to take them away from the truth
    – The truth is ‘follow the leader’, give your life to the leader, since he is doing so much for you
    – Without the leader, the follower is finished. There is no other way to God, but through the leader. Obedience to the leader at all costs.
    – The follower must feel grateful to the leader’s mercy and goodness, even when the leader tells him to leave his family he misses so much
    – The follower must put money, energy and time into making new followers
    – If a member tries to leave, he is threatened emotionally, he is told he is turning his back to the leader and to the group that loved and accepted him, even though he was nothing. Besides the member will have to face spiritual consequences for leaving the truth and the light
    – Make new followers, make new followers, if you are not making new followers you don’t love the leader and don’t love other people

    People are so scared of hell and are so brainwashed about Satan. What Satan will do with people’s souls anyway? Take to the cave other there in Greece? That is where Hell is, it is a physical place in Greece, where people that worship the god Hades would go to, where the souls Jesus preached to got released.

    Jono, if you don’t publish this, I will understand. It is pretty sad and we all know how it feels to have been part of a cult.

  37. Roberta says

    CORRECTION: Refiners fire does not say that Jesus/Yeshua was not a passover lamb, they say he was, but that IT WAS NOT FOR REMOVAL OF SINS.

    We know the passover lambs are not for removal of sins. This is aligned with the Torah.

    The problem is not with the Torah, but with the NT that affirms that he is the passover lamb and a sin sacrifice, because it says his blood (meaning his sacrifice) is what removes sins.

    The explanations are here: http://www.therefinersfire.org/jesus_passover_lamb.htm

    The explanation of passover and Yeshua connection it is that: Yeshua is not a sin sacrifice, he was, like the passover lamb a substitute for the people that believe and put the blood on the post, so they could live. (paraphrasing).

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