Debunking 365 Messianic Prophecies – Unto Us A Child Has Been Born – Rabbi Michael Skobac

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; And the government will be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over his kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. – Isaiah 9:6-7

Join us as we continue to investigate the alleged 365 messianic prophesies in the Tanakh that Jesus supposedly fulfilled in the New Testament!

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  1. Willem says

    Why are people continuously bashing Christianity ? Teach what you believe and leave them alone, unless they ask. Let your deeds speak for you. Like Nehemia Gordon.

  2. Joel says

    The biggest problem I am facing with people dropping me like a fly is the Aleph Tav and pointing that back to “Yeshua” The Hebrew Jesus…
    I realize they are using what Others are teaching, but I do not know how to combat it.

    Even in the modern Hebrew, the A/T is used
    “Give me the pen” in Hebrew…
    תן לי את העט
    This can in no way be pointing to Yeshua. It is pointing to the direct object. But he is the alpha and the Omega!

    People become very rude when you question their God, but this is becoming a problem.
    Can you give a teaching or study on this?
    I guess I’m dog meat anyway 😀

    The very day I got the Aleph Tav study bibles in, I felt sick and I had a dream that told me, I was getting my feet wet in Tainted Knowledge. I never even opened them.

    You can’t tell anyone the truth, I guess it is not for us to open eyes? It is for the spirit of YHWH? But then, I have a site to run…

  3. Nakdimon says

    the question raises: who does this refer to? An immediate response, and logical one, would be Messiah, because what we learn about him is that he will be given the throne of David and rule on it forever and to his kingdom will be no end, have peace throughout his reign and his works will be marvellous. Yet, instead of this obvious conclusion, the Talmud says that this is not about Messiah, but about Chizki’yahu (Hezekiah). Read the story about Hezekiah in 2 Kings 18-20 and honestly tell me how this prophecy is fulfilled. With statements like “God wanted to make Hezekiah Messiah but Hezekiah wasn’t worthy” (My paraphrase) the rabbis win the hearts of the anti-missionaries. But looking at the prophecy, we can safely conclude that this was nowhere near fulfilled by Hezekiah, since Hezekiah’s reign was not what we would call (increasingly) peaceful and his reign did end (the words “ein kets” has the meaning “which can hardly be counted”). He only reigned for 29 years, much shorter than a lot of kings. For example, his son Menashe ruled for 55 years and is regarded to be the most wicked king in Judah’s history. Furthermore, he was called none of the names listed in the verse either contemporarily or after and a couple of generations later Judah was carried off to exile! So considering all this, Hezekiah does not fit the bill at all and this prophecy remains unfulfilled! So either Isaiah is a false prophet and this prophecy was never fulfilled, or this prophecy is Messianic, as is the Messianic Jewish position, and therefore is yet to be fulfilled.

    By the way. Chizkiyahu does NOT mean Mighty God, but “the LORD is my strength”. Chizki means “my strength” and yahu refers to Gods name, YHWH. The notion that the first three names refer to God and the last name, sar shalom, refers to the child, instead of applying all the names to the child, is far fetched, al most ad-hoc.

  4. Re says

    Hi Jono / Rabbi Skobac. I just wanted to thank you for this study. It has been really useful to me. I am an ex-christian, but my wife and friends are all Messianic. They always try to prove Yeshua, and so far, this study has given me a lot of general idea of how to answer them. I know, my answer is never good enough for a christian to listen, that would be denying their god, but for me to have no answer would give validity to their arguments. Continue your good work.

    G-d Bless.

    Re

  5. Joel says

    Nakdimon Pardon? Who is given the throne of David?

    Ezekiel 37
    24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
    25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

    Last half of Ezekiel deals with the Messianic Kingdom
    I see David as the Prince, I see David on his own throne

    The only place I read about Yeshua is Zechariah 13 and the whole chapter is dealing with the False Prophet!

    4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
    5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
    6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends

  6. Yahushua says

    Targum Jonathan to the Prophets:

    “The prophet announced to the house of David that: ‘A boy has been born unto us, a son has been given unto us, who has taken the Torah upon himself to guard it; and his name has been called by the One who gives wonderful counsel, the Mighty God, He who lives forever: “Messiah,” in whose day peace shall abound for us. He shall make great the dignity of those who labor in the Torah and of those who maintain peace, without end; on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to build it in justice and in righteousness, from this time forth and forever. This shall be accomplished by the Memra of the Lord of Hosts.’”[1]

    Babylonian Talmud (Tract Derech Erez Zutha):

    “Rabbi Hose the Galilean said: Also the name of the Messiah is called Peace, for it is written (Isaiah 9:6): ‘Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.’”[2]

    Midrash Rabbah (Debarim 1):

    “The Rabbis lay the following words in the mouth of the patriarch Jacob: “I have still to bring forth the King Messiah as it is written: ‘Unto us a child is born.’”[3]

    Iggereth Teman (Rabbi Moses ben Maimon writes to Jacob Alfajumi):

    “God named Him (the Messiah) with six names as He says concerning Him: ‘For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, God, Mighty, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace’. That He calleth Him God in a distinctive manner, is to say with it, that His glory surpasses that of all other children of men.”[4]

    Aben Ezra:

    “There are some interpreters who say that ‘Wonderful, Everlasting Father’ are names of God and only ‘Prince of Peace’ is the name of the child. But according to my view the interpretation is right (which says): all are the names of the child.”[5]

    Targum Isaiah:

    “The prophet saith to the house of David, A child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; and He has taken the law upon Himself to keep it, and His name had been called from of old, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, He Who Lives Forever, The Anointed One (or Messiah), in whose days peace shall increase upon us.”[6]

  7. Nakdimon says

    Joel, calling names is not a rebuttal. Ezechiel 37 is also about the Messiah who is called by his father David’s name. In any case, what I said about Isaiah 9:5-6 remains. Hezekiah did not fulfill that prophecy, Skobac has scurried the issue and had not dealt with it accurately, as I already pointed out. I’m looking forward to your, or his, rebuttal.

  8. ShoutedTheDustSpeck says

    As I listen to you guys, as well as discovering things on my own, a difficult (for me) question hit, “What if the Torah does not actually require faith?”
    In using the word faith, I mean in the way that it is defined on plaques and tapestries as “the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” Hebrews 11:1 or “believing in something when there is no proof”.

    What if the Torah requires, instead, a faith that would be better translated by one word, trust, to be valid? In that you trust in a God that has proven himself with things you can see, understand and have evidence for? No blind following or wiggling and twisting around of the messages that your God has sent being required to make the messages trustworthy. What if the Creator, who has given us the ability to reason, wouldn’t actually be angry if we used that ability?

    You guys mentioned at the beginning today that many believe that Moses’ face shown brightly based on faith. Meaning… “We don’t know how it happened, must be supernatural, not understandable by our meager minds, could be allegorical, but must be true?” Well, at least I understood it in that way, anyway…

    What if, however, the account is simply true and does not break any of the laws of physics? Stick with me for a second, this is science and logic speaking… What if our faces naturally shine when being exposed to a source or, as in the the story of Moses, a being that is illuminated brightly or has great energy? The reality is that, recently, science has proven that our faces do in fact give off light, all the time, every day.

    According to a study at Kyoto University; Tohoku Institute of Technology in 2009, “The human body literally glows, emitting a visible light in extremely small quantities at levels that rise and fall with the day” and “virtually all living creatures emit very weak light, which is thought to be a byproduct of biochemical reactions involving free radicals.”

    The study revealed that human “faces glowed, more than the rest of the body. They conclude that this must “be because faces are more tanned than the rest of the body, since they get more exposure to sunlight — the pigment behind skin color, melanin, has fluorescent components that could enhance the body’s miniscule light production.” If exposure to sunlight makes our faces glow slightly more brightly throughout the day, what if the source creating the glow were much more powerful?

    In summary, what if we should trust Yah or Moses because they have proven time and time again to be trustworthy in the accounts that they give? In listening to Michael, a light bulb moment hit and I have to consider, “What if the signs we are to look for and put our hope in really will be visible or tangible and will not be obscure and confusing? What if the signposts were meant for humans, with human thoughts and limitations?” Moses’ face shone brightly enough to require a veil, so the people would not freak out. This was physical evidence for the people that Moses had been in the presence of something intense. Did Yah supernaturally make his face shine as a sign? In this case, I don’t think so. I think Moses’ face did not have a choice, it was simply designed to shine.

  9. Joel says

    Nakdimon, I did not call any names, I asked “Pardon”… In asking what you meant. That is just common polite language, I think. I am sorry if I offended you!

    Hezekiah did not fulfill that prophecy? really? What happened to the two kings, did they destroy Jerusalem? Those two kings was gone before that child was able to chose the good from the bad.. that is what is being said and that is what happened.

    Rabbi Michael Skobac and Jono, Do you realize the implications here…. If everything that I am seeing here and I believe they are, those who worship Jesus/Yahushua are set up to denie the Messiah when He comes. They will think it is the Anti-Christ as they have been taught! I would go as far as saying, even go to war against him!

  10. Joel says

    BTW. I’m not interested in giving a rebuttal against anything. It is not me that opens eyes and/or closes eyes. I search for the truth, I see what I see, and I accept what I accept. And, I’m not interested in an argument with anyone…. It is why I study alone!

    Have a wonderful day 🙂

  11. Joel says

    Just a little Food for thought….

    We get our History from Flavius Josephus, who after capture declared Flavius Vespasian as God to keep his head, which was the father of Flavius Titus who was declared the son of god and by his own words! And the Son of Man which fulfilled the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, with-in a generation 40 years, AND the first order of saints in the church after Peter was all Flavins. These were the same guys that people had to hide books in caves to keep them from burning (Dead Sea Scrolls)! But the New Testament slipped by them! Who Honestly wrote this book that is piggy backed on the Hebrew Bible? That stands in contradiction to the Holy Bible?

    The first Saints.. I had to look them up
    St. Flavia, St. Flavia Domitilla, St. Flavian, St. Flavian, St. Flavian & Elias, St. Flavian of Autun, St. Flavian of Constantinople, St. Flavianus, St. Flavius, St. Flavius Clemens
    ….

    Roam never died that 4th kingdom of Daniel, still alive with it’s tentacles throughout all the earth! Morphed into? Is the religion State sponsored? Wasn’t Caesar named Flavius…

    If you are not really considering the political, Social, and religious land scape, and doing your own searching, then your just following a man!

    Just food for study if anyone is interested!

  12. William Cody Bateman says

    Of course, not believing that Yeshua raised from the dead – would explain the, “Why” none of these 365 Messianic prophecies are true in your mind. How sad… but then again, the LORD already warned that Israel would remain partially blinded until the very Last Days; and even then, will not recognize HIM until they are on the brink of utter destruction.

  13. remi4321 says

    How convenient William that less that 20 people saw him raising from the dead. That he did not show himself up to the high priest and we have to blindly believe that Jesus was resurrected. The difference with the Exodus was that everybody saw it, there was no excuses. Also, it is really convenient that Jesus ask to believe without seeing. This is not Emunah (Faith). You need some serious proofs from the new testament to believe in a different god than the one from the old testament. Like G-d said, Do not be deceived Deuteronomy 30:11…

  14. Sophiee Saguy says

    The Jews being blind is a lie in the Christian bible — which totally distorts the teachings in the T’nach (Jewish bible). To explain away Jews 2000 year refusal to “accept” Jesus as a god (let alone a messiah) many missionaries blithely say that “Jews are blind – a “veil” has been put before your eyes so you can’t see the “truth” that Jesus is the messiah.” This outrageous slander is straight from the Christian bible – 2 Corinthians 3 where Paul, who admits he never MET Jesus, but simply had a “fit” on a road and had a vision – makes that outrageous claim that Jews are blinded as if a veil was blocking our “seeing” Jesus as god or messiah.

    Paul gets his facts wrong (he compares the veil before the eyes of Jew to the veil of Moses). Paul lied about the veil in 2 Corinthians 3 when he wrote “We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away.”

    WHAT was supposedly “passing away”? The eternal promises G-d made to the Jews which He repeatedly tells us ARE eternal?

    Well, that is exactly what Paul is claiming.

    Paul goes on to say “But their minds were made dull (the Jews) for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It (the veil) has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.”

    So what does the Jewish bible say about the veil? Read Exodus (Shemot) 34 for yourselves – it most certainly is not that the Jews were or are blind to G-d and His truth. We are told that no one can see G-d and live (so much for Jesus being G-d!). One has to read more than one sentence lifted out of context to understand what is going on. Prior to Moses wearing a hood (not a veil) the Jews had not prevented others from making a golden calf as an intermediary between them and G-d. It is only after this sin that the Jews could no longer gaze on the face of Moses, who was innocent of that sin. The radiance of Moses was too much to bear, knowing that they had lacked enough trust in G-d. We are told in Exodus / Shemot 34:30 “When Aaron and all the Israelites saw that the skin of Moses’ face was shining with a brilliant light, they were afraid to come close to him.” The veil did not separate the Jews from G-d, or even from Moses. They still listened to Moses and heard G-d’s words — and there was NO VEIL or hood. Moses put the hood on AFTER he had finished giving the Jews the word of G-d (so much for Paul’s lies) – and of course all of the Jews had heard G-d speak to all of them once before – at Sinai when G-d gave the Jews the 10 utterances (commandments) in His own voice.

    When Moses entered his tent to speak with G-d he did not wear a veil. Moses never wore a veil when speaking to G-d or when giving G-d’s words to the people.

    EVER.

    So where is this “veil” of the Jewish covenant that Paul wrote about?

    It doesn’t exist. More lies. More deceit.

    While he taught them, the Israelites would see Moses’ face, and that the skin of Moses’ face was radiant. Moses would then replace the veil over his face until he entered once again to speak with G-d. Paul lied. Read Sh’mot / Exodus chapter 34 for yourself!

    “Moses would speak to them . . . 32 all the children of Israel would draw near, and he would command them everything that the L-rd had spoken with him on Mount Sinai. 33. When Moses had FINISHED speaking with them (the Jews), he placed a covering over his face.” Sh’mot / Exodus chapter 34:31-33.

    In other words – the OPPOSITE of what Paul claims. When the words of G-d are communicated to the Jews there is NO VEIL.

    “When Moses would come before the L-rd to speak with Him, he would remove the covering until he left; then he would leave and speak to the children of Israel what he would be commanded. 35 Then the children of Israel would see Moses’ face, that the skin of Moses’ face had become radiant, and [then when Moses was finished relating G-d’s message to the Jews] Moses would replace the covering over his face until he would comve [again] to speak with Him.” Sh’mot / Exodus chapter 34:34-35.

    Moses’ face was UNCOVERED when speaking to G-d.

    Moses’ face was UNCOVERED when communicating G-d’s message to the Jews.

    It is amazing that missionaries claim Jews are blind because we don’t accept the lies of Paul who clearly distorts what the Jewish bible really says. They say we are blind because we don’t believe one guy who lies written in a book by anonymous people whose identities are unknown?

    These are the people who believe Jews are blind because the Christian bible says we are and lies about what the Jewish bible really says?

    The blindness and stubbornness is not on the side of Jews – but on the side of those who claim to “fulfill” or bible and then lie about it. Distort it. And then say hateful things about us Jews to boot.

    Jews didn’t “Reject” Jesus because we are blind. The truth is that Jesus never did anything worthy according to the Jewish bible’s requirements to accept him (or anyone else yet) as the messiah.

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