Kiss the Aramaic Son? – Rabbi Michael Skobac

Join as we continue our study through 365 “messianic prophecies” from the Tanakh that Christians claim Jesus fulfilled!

59. Psalms 2:1-3…The enmity of kings foreordained…Acts 4:25-28
60. Psalms 2:2…To own the title, Anointed (Christ)…Acts 2:36
61. Psalms 2:6…His Character-Holiness…John 8:46; Rev. 3:7
62. Psalms 2:6…To own the title King…Matthew 2:2
63. Psalms 2:7…Declared the Beloved Son…Matthew 3:17
64. Psalms 2:7, 8…The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated…Acts 13:29-33
65. Psalms 2:12…Life comes through faith in Him…John 20:31
66. Psalms 8:2…The mouths of babes perfect His praise…Matthew 21:16
67. Psalms 8:5, 6…His humiliation and exaltation…Luke 24:50-53; 1 Corinthians 15:27

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23 Comments

  1. servingfaithfully says

    If Messiah will fulfill every single prophecy written about Him, then does it make sense to anyone that He would come as a ruling EVERLASTING King, and then everlasting not mean everlasting……at some point, He will be tortured and killed? Doesn’t it make more sense that to fulfill all of the prophecies, He would have to die (fulfilling those verses) and then come again to rule for eternity. Eternity is eternity. How could it be the other way around? Isn’t this the only way both scenarios could happen?

    If we stop and think, He has to be on earth prior to ushering in an everlasting kingdom, because He has to be born of a virgin. He comes both naturally (through the womb) and at another time, supernaturally (from heaven with a sword, etc). Those cannot be the same appearances.

    Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?

    If one ascends into heaven, he must be on earth or a lower starting position first. Then the verse tells us that one descends back to earth from heaven. So, how did that one ascend unless he was on earth? And how did he descend, after having ascended, unless he was on earth and then went to heaven and then back to earth? The only way this one could have ascended from earth into heaven is by death and resurrection before he will return or descend or come back. It’s two appearances.

    If we are going to take the Tanak by faith, and believe that what is written in it is actually true, then when Y’shua tells us the things He told us, did the things He did, died and was resurrected and ascended into heaven visibly for all to see, are we going to just say that the right side of the book is fiction but we know for certain that the left side is not? That’s why this is a faith thing.

    Y’shua said, “if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote of Me”. I do not think this is an intellectual argument. I believe this is proof that one who has a circumcised heart (belief in what Moses wrote, or better said, FAITH in YHVH), then that same person will believe Y’shua. It’s not mental gymnastics or even a compelling argument that allows the person to see. It’s the privilege of the One we serve, to open the eyes of His true child, the one who is humble, believing Moses, having surrendered faith in YHVH, and then Messiah is revealed to them.

  2. servingfaithfully says

    Interesting, but Tovia Singer is a sad example of one who does not believe what Moses wrote. To say that the son in vs 4 is not the Messiah, is simply a denial of the scriptures. Of course it is. It is linked to the work described in verses 1-3 and to anyone without an agenda to discredit Y’shua, it is plain. Just like the virgin birth. The Son’s name is Immanuel. Does that pose a problem for Tovia Singer and anyone else out there who cannot wrap their heads around the Father/Son GOD idea? Yes, it does. But we’re not here on earth trying to understand the Tovia Singer’s of the world. We don’t have to make scripture make sense to Tovia Singer. We’re trying to understand our Father’s words. And HE will make scripture makes sense to us individually IF WE BELIEVE MOSES, (as Y’shua testified).

    Listen, what do you expect someone who denies Y’shua as Messiah to say about these and many other verses? Do you really think they are going to paint themselves right into a corner?

    I encourage your listeners to deal with the prophecies. There’s a group of prophecies about a life of servanthood, surrender, torture and death. And there’s a group about a ruling, everlasting for all eternity, kingdom to come. He’s both born of a virgin, through a natural birth and comes in the heavens with a flaming sword. Now I don’t know about you but there is no denying that this has to be two totally separate appearances. And there is no possible way that we could make them into one and still keep the integrity of the passages, regardless of what is falsely taught on Proverbs 30.

  3. Penina says

    Very good program. Rabbi Skobac boils it down to “just the facts, ma’am.” The New Testament simply cannot stand on its own, and it does not line up with Tanakh. Possibly the different translations are creating a lot of the problem. After trying to find Jesus all through Tanakh in types and shadows as I was told, I give up. I don’t see him there at all unless I wish to bend my thinking around to line up with the explanation given above by servingfaithfully.

  4. servingfaithfully says

    I think what people in this generation are forgetting is we take by faith, that what is said on the left side of the book is without question. But when it comes to the right side of the book, even though we were not there, just like we were not there on the left side, somehow the right side has no merit and we’re free to declare it didn’t happen.

    I don’t know how you could explain, if you were there, a guy who did everything (and so much more than is written) that Y’shua did, and everything He said and the way He died and rose from the dead and ascended into heaven, substantiated by other writings as well and then say…..”nah, he’s not the messiah, he’s just a regular guy”.

    It’s not the fact that He did miracles…..it’s the miracles themselves. Who has ever done these things? Who is able? (ONLY YHVH) Who else could He be but the Son of YHVH as He said He was? And those that indeed WERE there with Him, in certainty KNEW He was Messiah. And then when you read the prophecies and we, in this generation see how they were fulfilled, are we seriously going to cross our arms over our chest and say “there’s no proof cause He didn’t fulfill that verse the way I expect or understand it?” That’s a little short sighted and “me” centered, people.

    Regardless, the prophecies of Messiah could not possibly be fulfilled in one appearance. He does not rule and reign and then die. He dies then He reigns, not the other way around. He cannot die if He is everlasting King or everlasting doesn’t mean everlasting, eternal kingdom doesn’t mean eternal, it would only mean temporary. He comes in two very distinctly different ways according to the prophecies and there is no possibility of a baby, born of a virgin, growing up to become a man, to then somehow step into heaven and come with a flaming sword amidst total destruction of the earth, causing the graves to open and people to rise out of them, unless it unfolds as the bible says. He was born, died, and will return, just like He told His followers. So those who are looking for Him when He returns, not accepting the truth of His first appearance, have missed out on what He taught from the beginning throughout the Tanak. They do not believe Moses for Moses wrote of Him.

  5. Darren says

    Thanks for the great show and for Rabbi Skobac’s understanding, respectful, and non-aggressive approach towards objectively revealing Christianity’s misinterpretations of the Hebrew Scriptures.

    For me I had to make a choice, do I follow The God of the Hebrew Tanakh, or the Jesus god of the Greek New Testament writings with the sacred letters of Paul in Christianity?

    1Ki 18:21 And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said: ‘How long halt ye between two opinions? if Yehovah be God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.’ And the people answered him not a word.

    Exo 9:1 Then Yehovah said unto Moses: ‘Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him: Thus saith Yehovah, the God of the Hebrews: Let My people go, that they may serve Me.

    As for the miracles and prophecies coming to pass claimed by Christianity to support their cause, Deuteronomy 13 explains that Yehovah will allow capable false prophets seducing people away from the commandments to test them, to observe if they will truly love Yehovah by keeping His Torah.

  6. servingfaithfully says

    You’re right not to believe christianity’s “jesus”. That person did not exist. He is a figment of their imagination as a result of their slaughter of the scriptures and deletion of the hard parts.

    The real Y’shua is the Torah in the flesh. He lived Torah, upheld Torah to everyone, taught Torah, fulfilled Torah in part, will return to filfill the rest of it and pointed anyone who asked how to have eternal life, to the Torah.

    Paul did not offer a new way to salvation either. He simply had his eyes unblinded and Messiah was revealed to him…….the Messiah that Moses (Tanak) wrote about. Paul never taught lawlessness.

    It is correct for anyone who believes that jesus did away with his father’s words, to deny he is messiah. That is what christianity teaches and what those still blind, cannot see. Why? They don’t believe Moses. The scriptures that tell us how to deal with a false prophet are in the Torah and christianity ignores them.

    Likewise, judaism is so wrapped up in adding to the Torah that they are blind and do not believe Moses. The very same Torah instructs us not to do this but judaism ignores those instructions. Then when faced with all the prophecies that indeed happened to Y’shua, judaism usually reinterprets the prophecies to be talking about someone else. That is exactly the reason Y’shua told them, “if you believed Moses, you would believe Me for he wrote of Me”.

    The TRUTH is found in the pages, not from the mouth of rabbis, pastors, bishops, etc. All of these desire a nicolaitan system which has perpetuated a lie and ensures that lie will continue on…….no accountability. Some might like to call it a “non agressive” nodding of the head among the sheep. The sheep follow a shepherd but not The Shepherd……..the same thing man has done since the beginning.

  7. Penina says

    I see nowhere at all where Moses spoke of Jesus.

    In my opinion, and I don’t mean to be disagreeable, but servingfaithfully, you seem to use a lot of words yet make no point that I can understand.
    I tried for many years and listened to a massive amount of teachings that told of types and shadows, and attempts to fit Jesus/Hebrew Yeshua into the Tanakh. He simply isn’t there unless I wish to take someone’s word and force myself to believe it only “by faith”. I don’t believe HaShem meant for us to do that. It has nothing to do with wanting to believe a certain way. If I could choose, I would rather go back to believing Jesus was born on Christmas and celebrate as I did in my childhood. But I have learned too much to turn back to those old ways.

    The New Testament was simply another writing that was attached by the Catholics to promote their agenda. I’m finished with it. But I wish you well. We don’t all have to believe alike.

  8. servingfaithfully says

    Penina, sometimes we get so jaded we are willing to read a history book, believe it is truth but when it comes to the bible 2000 years later, all of a sudden we’re skeptical. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, to question but what are we really questioning? These are eye witness accounts that did not get together and collaborate their writings. If it’s fiction, then who would have really kept up the story in the face of certain torture and death? Maybe a couple of people but certainly not all that we read about.
    And are we really going to sit back and listen to scholars of the Hebrew bible in 2014 say that they know more than those living characters in the bible? Is a rabbi in this generation more knowledgable than Paul? That is so naive and short sighted.
    And lets not forget, YHVH substantiated Himself in the Torah by the supernatural. Y’shua did what His Father did. Now unless you’re going to just say it didn’t happen with absolutely zero proof that it didn’t happen, then you’re left with believing or blindness. Who has such a great God as this? Who can do these kind of miracles? And why have they not been repeated if they are less than sensational and substantive to some of you?

  9. jono vandor says

    servingfaithfully, Yes, our Creator brought the Jewish people out of Egypt with a mighty outstretched arm. He spoke to us from the mountain and gave us the Torah. The Jewish people remain as witnesses to this. Within the Torah he told us:

    “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for Yehovah your God is testing you to know whether you love Yehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after Yehovah your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from Yehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which Yehovah your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.” – Deuteronomy 13:1-5

    Therefore, miracles and wonders performed by a man is confirmation of nothing if he draws the Jewish people to idolatry such as Christianity.

  10. Roberta says

    servingfaithfully,

    Once I saw a pastor talking to a messianic believer about the Torah. The messianic would point one error and the pastor would say: “but what about this part?”, the messianic would, again, show the error. The pastor went on and on showing verse after verse and each one of them were explained in its correct context. The end is always the same -> whoever doesn’t accept the Christian doctrine = spiritually blind.

    How many errors and mistranslations would be necessary for this pastor to realize his doctrine was wrong? How many proof he needed?

    Today I see the same happening. A rabbi again and again showing clear evidence of the manipulation of the Tanach to fit into the Christian/Messianic doctrine, verses used out of context, contradictions that can not be worked in the NT etc How many evidences it needs to be presented?

    Mark Twain once said: “It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled”.

    Here it is something for you to think about it. If you have a chance to read/watch on youtube about the mythological story regarding to Hades. Hades has the power of not let anyone get out of his domain, once dead, forever under his domain. On the NT Jesus had victory over Hades, which means the NT validates the Greek Mythology account. Isn’t this interesting?

    When one read only what Jesus said, it can even seem like Jesus knew something more about past/future etc. Almost like he was eternal and all knowing. Turned out, his “knowledge” are a collection of stories and things from Jewish books, from other rabbis. You know about the ‘many mansions’? Where he got that from? One would think “He came from heaven”. Actually, the several mansions of the Garden of Eden are described on a Midrash about Genesis.

    The story of Jesus telling Peter to go get a fish and find coin to pay the temple tribute came from a old story of a righteous man that bought a fish for shabbat and when he gutted he found a treasure in it.

    Another one is about a righteous rabbi that had so much faith, he walk around people with leper and he knew it would not affect him. These and other stories.

    Sorry, English is my second language. Hope you understand.

    Blessings,

    Roberta

  11. Roberta says

    Kiss the son – I wanted to comment that in a version of the bible in Portuguese, it is translated correctly. It doesn’t say kiss the son. It is mostly on the English translations according to biblos.com.

  12. Penina says

    I believe it’s best to “grasp onto the garment of a Jew, because I know HaShem is with him.” I’m grateful to Rabbi Skobac for sharing his knowledge and clearing up some of the muddy New Testament waters.

    The New Testament is a mess of contradictions, especially the gospel accounts. There is no verification as to the people who wrote them. Why aren’t there Rabbinic accounts of someone as important as Paul? I’m of the opinion that the whole NT is a book of fiction. It was attached to the Tanakh because of the Catholic Church. It doesn’t belong there and I am finished with it. I’m happy with my decision and I would wish that everyone is happy with what they believe. There doesn’t need to be conflict, we are all trying to learn.

  13. Lance Bergman says

    Penina and others, I am not able to refrain any longer. I have spent quite some time studying this teaching series in detail. I have pondered for some time before I decided to write. I may not be popular for what I am going to write. I do not want to commit the sin of omission so here we go. 🙂

    If you are going to hang onto the coat tail of a Jew make sure it is one that believes only the written Torah given to Moses. Rabbi Skobac, while very knowledgeable, is mixing the oral torah with the Written Torah. Any addition to what Moses recorded is breaking the Commandments of Yehovah. The traditions of man become more important than the Commandments of Yehovah. The Torah clearly warns against this syncretism. No Jewish Sage has the authority to change the written Torah. You have to do quite a bit of twisting of Scripture to justify changing Yehovah’s Torah. Which sadly Judaism has done. Jews for Judaism is not the answer. Judaism has adulterated the Torah of Moses with extra instructions that are from man and not Yehovah. Jews and Gentiles for Yehovah’s Written Word would be a better goal.

    Yeshua never changed one jot or tittle of the Torah. The translators have done this by either mistake or intention due to their Anti-Semitic agenda trying to separate the Gentiles from Israel. Yeshua also spoke at length about the religious leaders of the day and their rebellion to His Father’s Torah.

    You do not need to be a Jew to see that the 365 ‘prophecies’ are mostly false. They are a sad reflection on Christianity and the lengths they will go to establish a lot of ‘proof texts’ to validate their doctrinal errors.

    Let me take you deeper.

    Yeshua is the Son of Yehovah but He is created. Check it out for yourself. He cannot be God and is not part of any pagan trinity doctrine. There is so much anti-Semitic paganism crept into Christianity that the writers of around 2000 years ago would not believe what we have done to their original text. Paul especially would be horrified.

    Yehovah has never made any Covenants with the Gentiles. He has only made Covenants with the twelve tribes of Israel. Gentiles can be ‘grafted into’ these Covenants but they have to do exactly what Israel was Commanded to do. All Written Laws are to be observed – not one jot or tittle changed. Shabbat is a ‘forever’ Commandment, along with the Feasts, also Clean and Unclean Foods and Circumcision etc. These Scriptures need to be observed as instructed by Moses. No oral additions or subtractions.

    Yeshua came as the Suffering Servant and was and still is rejected by many. He was put to death on a stake (not a cross) and three days later rose from the grave. He did not die on a Friday. He was in the grave three days and three nights like Jonah was in the belly of the fish. Yeshua will return as the conquering King at the end of days. This is the Messiah that Israel was expecting – the King that would restore all things. He is yet to come back. When He does He will rule with a rod of iron and Torah will be enforced and the Levitical system restored in Ezekiel’s Temple.

    Torah only had Sacrifices and Offerings for unintentional sin. Yeshua fulfilled the Torah of Moses exactly and now under the ‘Jeremiah 31 Covenant’, made with the twelve tribes of Israel, the same Torah is written in the heart of people who choose to believe and obey Yehovah. However, and this is where the Jews have a problem, intentional sin could now be forgiven if a person had a genuine contrite heart and observed Torah. Our High Priest in the Heavenly Tabernacle offers His own blood as our atonement. Levites cannot minister as Priests in Heaven and Yeshua cannot minister as a Priest on earth because He is not from the tribe of Levi. When He returns as the Conquering King the Levitical System will be restored – read the last chapter of Zechariah. Incidently in this chapter LORD is actually Yehovah not His Son.

    Yehovah never started ‘Church’ or ‘Christianity’ these are false pagan doctrines. Yehovah has only ever dealt with Israel and those others like myself who choose like Ruth, that “Your God is my God and Your People my People”. If you believe that you are not part of the Covenants made with Israel then I suspect you are not part of any covenants with Yehovah at all. You are either with Israel under Covenant or you are excluded.

    I could write a novel on this subject but I am trying to limit the space I take up. Contact me by email if you want to discuss this further. I do not have a ministry and do not want anything from you except to assist us all find the Truth in the Written Word as it was written. Context without Contradictions.

    lancebergman777@gmail.com

  14. Roberta says

    “However, and this is where the Jews have a problem, intentional sin could now be forgiven if a person had a genuine contrite heart and observed Torah”

    When you say “have a problem” I assume you are saying that the Jews will not be forgiven of their intentional sin if they do not believe Jesus is the sacrifice. Which is the core belief of the Church, regardless the differences you are pointing, the most important lie remains the same.

    The intentional sin has been forgiven without Jesus since forever. Moses was forgiven for murdering the Egyptian, David was forgiven for intentionally murdering Uriah etc.

    I will not touch the book of Jonah because I am not sure it is historical, so, one can’t base a doctrine one way or another on a non-historical book.

    Second: What Skobac believes or what he eats for breakfast has no effect of what he is analyzing. So far, didn’t see him using the Oral Torah to disprove any of the “prophecies”.

    Third: I used to be like you, about the Halacha. I mixed the traditions Minhag and Halacha, which many Jewish people might not separate the two. I am now learning that Halacha is holy and necessary.

    About adding and subtracting, you can add Solomon to the list. If you read Leviticus all the commandments were about a Tabernacle, then, Solomon built a Temple and the dimensions were not the same. Did Salomon added to the Torah by changing everything?

    The Almighty did point sages for when we can’t interpret the Torah and if they err, we will not be hold responsible for our actions, as a child that is not imputed sin by obeying his parents that might tell them to do something that is not correct. Like parents, the sages are not perfect and can make mistakes. It is between them and the Almighty.

    Check out some videos of Asher Meza about Halacha, he is a little loud, but he is a legitimate Rabbi.

  15. Lance Bergman says

    Hello Roberta, I did not say what you assumed. I actually said – “Torah only had Sacrifices and Offerings for unintentional sin”. Yehovah can have grace on whoever He chooses to. But, there was no possible sacrifice that King David could have brought according to Torah. David could not be punished under the Torah instructions because there was not two witnesses who actually saw what had taken place. David did not go unpunished by Yehovah. I am sure you know the story – Yehovah sent a prophet.

    There is no sacrifice for intentional sin in Torah. There has been no animal sacrifice for any sin since the destruction of the Temple.

    I recently visited the National Jewish Museum in Melbourne, Australia. I was so excited to go and hoped that I would get a chance to hang onto the coat tail of a genuine Jew if only for a moment. I left so disappointed. The three staff I spoke to spent most of their time glorifying the Talmud which had a very impressive display on one side of the entrance hallway. They spoke so highly of the work of man. Not one of them spoke in the same terms about the Torah Scroll which was on the other side of the same hallway. The Talmud is a work of man and has become an idol to Judaism. This issue is a very serious problem for Judaism.

    These sessions has been flavoured by the oral torah. Quotes have been made from the oral torah. The list of the 365 prophecies has done so much damage and discredited the New Covenant spoken of by Jeremiah.

    Regarding Solomon – the Temple was build according to Yehovah’s design and confirmed by Yehovah as Holy when the sacrifice was lit by fire from Heaven. Just like what happened in the Tabernacle and I am convinced will happen again when Ezekiel’s Temple is built and dedicated to Yehovah.

    Where in Scripture (Tanakh) did Yehovah appoint sages? From my reading He appointed Judges and also Prophets like Jeremiah who continually told people to repent and go back to the written Torah of Moses. Israel’s deliverance was always after they returned to the written Torah. Nothing has changed. We are in one of Israel’s disobedience cycles and they will not be totally delivered until they repent nationally for turning away from Yehovah and chasing other gods and idols. Talmud is one of these idols that they will have to repent of.

    My heart grieves for Israel. I am a Gentile but I long for the time when Israel will see the error of their ways and be restored to the light that the world so badly needs to see.

    Shalom Roberta.

  16. Roberta says

    The Judges are the ones that make the Halacha. People want to follow traditions then it is on their own heads.

    Show me in the bible if you can eat chicken. Did you know that it was the Judges that determined that it is kosher since it was not in the Torah? Is this an addition?

    People could not bring sacrifices for intentional sins, it is correct. But could people be forgiven for intentional sins if they repented?

    What is mercy and grace if someone needs to pay the price. If someone needs to pay, then it is not free, it is a deal.

  17. Roberta says

    If someone wanted to charge David, they could. I am sure there were more than one person that brought Uriah’s wife to him and others that saw Uriah being put in the front lines. Easy to put 2 and 2 together.

    Being forgiven and not suffering consequences for or sin are different things. Murderers in prison do not get released when they are forgiven by Jesus either. Being forgiven is being in good terms with Almighty.

  18. Lance Bergman says

    Hi Roberta, Yehovah established the Levitical Laws and processes for atonement. The Temple was destroyed so the place where these animal sacrifices were undertaken was removed. If these Laws were so important (I believe they were) then why did Yehovah allow the Temple to be destroyed leaving Israel with no place for any sacrifices of any type for over 1940 years? The answer is that the atonement has moved into the heavenly, true tabernacle and the High Priest is Yeshua.
    If this were not so then Yehovah would not be much of a God because He would have left Israel without any chance of offering any sacrifices when His own Laws Command that they are done. Yeshua fulfilled every aspect of Torah relating to offerings and sacrifices. He never changed one jot or tittle of the Law.

    Regarding the chicken. The Torah does not name chicken like it does pig. Pig is unclean by written decree from Yehovah. If chicken was an issue then Yehovah would have made it clear. We can find all sorts of distracting issues like these but that does not take away from a much bigger picture and that is the position the Rabbi’s have taken and exalted themselves to a place that they believe they have authority on earth over Yehovah’s written Word. I am fearful for what Israel will have to go through before they return back to the written Torah. Israel needs another Josiah to lead the nation back to the Written Word of Yehovah.

    The animals all paid the price that Israel should have paid and that was an amazing act of GRACE by Yehovah. Yeshua paid the price for Israel and all who join themselves to her. Neither the animals or Yeshua deserved to die – they paid the price. Why? Because Leviticus tells us that is the system that Yehovah established.

  19. Roberta says

    Where is the prophecy that when a Temple is destroyed it means that the atonement system went up to heaven and a human would have to be sacrificed there? This would certainly be clearly stated on the Torah or the prophets. You assume this is what it happened when reading a anonymous letter.

    Instead, look what we have:

    Hosea 3:4 “For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:”

    I am sure you are familiar with the prayer of Solomon, which the Almighty approved and forgiveness is through prayer and repentance.

    What it is the difference between Paul and Benny Hynn? They both have visions. Miracles in front of the people etc. Because it was a long time ago I am supposed to believe? If so, maybe Fatima did show up for those 3 girls, maybe Mohammed is the final prophet, maybe Joseph Smith did see Jesus right here in the US.

    One can make doctrine based on a vision or a personal communication with god as these people claim. The Almighty spoke through a burning mountain to millions. When He spoke through the burning bush, even Moses was not sure of what had happened. Things got real when the Almighty show the plagues right in front of people’s eyes.

    Why the NT validates the god of the underworld, Hades, son of Cronos?

    Christianity is a Roman Universal (catholic) Assembly.

    Now about the chicken. It is on the halacha that is is okay to eat it. We are supposed to follow the laws of the Almighty and not the words of man correct?

    If you are a man and you make a decision on how to apply the Torah, are you following the Almighty or man? What if other people have difficult in applying and they come to the sages to resolve a matter on how to apply the Torah and the sage give them the solution, wouldn’t that be the same as you making the call?

    Our Father knew that it would happen, situations would arise and people would need guidance. First it was Moses, then the 70 elders and by imposition of hands others took their place. They wrote down their solutions so the community could follow from wherever they are. Jews from all over the world come back to the land and are still one people, applying the Torah using the same solutions from their sages.
    Deuternonomy 17:8 If cases come before your courts that are too difficult for you to judge—whether bloodshed, lawsuits or assaults—take them to the place the Lord your God will choose. 9 Go to the Levitical priests and to the judge who is in office at that time. Inquire of them and they will give you the verdict. 10 You must act according to the decisions they give you at the place the Lord will choose. Be careful to do everything they instruct you to do. 11 Act according to whatever they teach you and the decisions they give you. Do not turn aside from what they tell you, to the right or to the left. 12 Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the Lord your God is to be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel. 13 All the people will hear and be afraid, and will not be contemptuous again.

    You have difficulty believing the judges of Israel have the authority, but no problem of following Paul or a anonymous letter.

  20. Lance Bergman says

    I am not going to play scripture ping pong Roberta. You have made a lot of assumptions about me that are not correct. I am not a christian. I am a believer in Yehovah, the one and only God of Israel. No more comments from me on this subject. Shalom.

  21. Penina says

    Thank you for your advice, Lance Bergman, regarding grasping onto the garment of a Jew. I didn’t mean to imply that there is one Jew in particular that we should follow, but was using the term as a plural. Rabbi Skobac is extremely knowledgeable and has been very helpful in his explanations and ideas, but there are others who have much to offer and it’s good to also listen to what they have to say.

    As regards the Oral Torah, I’m not sure it is something that should be disregarded. Torah was all given orally to Moshe until he began to write it down.

    There’s still so very much to learn.

  22. Lance Bergman says

    Hi Penina, The reason I reject the oral torah is because Moses wrote down every word he was told.

    Exodus 24:1 Now He said to Moses, “Come up to Yehovah, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and worship from afar.2 “And Moses alone shall come near YEHOVAH, but they shall not come near; nor shall the people go up with him.”3 So Moses came and told the people all the words of Yehovah and all the judgments. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which Yehovah has said we will do.”4 And Moses wrote all the words of YEHOVAH.

    I am sorry if I offend anyone but the oral torah is an abomination because it has become an idol and so have its authors. It is not the words of Yehovah but the words of man. It does not matter how wise these words are they do not replace the written Torah.

    Jeremiah 33:3

    Shalom

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