Jono & Jason – Deleting Heaven & Earth

I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, that you may love Yehovah your God, obeying His voice and holding fast to Him, for He is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that Yehovah swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. – Deuteronomy 30:19-20


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  1. peter says

    Just wanted to share some info that you guys may not be aware of regarding the quote of Hebrews 9:8 the part where it says ..And I regarded them not – In which may be rendered, “although I was their Lord;” or as it is translated by Gesenius, “and I rejected them. you see the Hebrew text of Jeremiah 3:14 uses the Hebrew word ba.alti ”..The word בּצל bàal – means:

    (1) to be lord or master over anything Isa_26:13;
    (2) to become the husband of anyone Deu_21:13; Deu_24:1;

    (3) with ba-, “to disdain, to reject”; so in Jer_3:14. It is very probable that this is the meaning here, for it is not only adopted by the Septuagint, but also the Syriac text. So does Abulwalid, and rabbi Kimchi, and Rabbi Tanchum understood it.

    The Arabic word means “to reject, to loath, to disdain.” All that is necessary to observe here is, that it cannot be demonstrated that the apostle has not given the true sense of the Hebrew text. The probability is, that the Septuagint translators would give the meaning which was commonly understood to be correct, and there is still more probability that the Syriac translator would adopt the true sense of the word for,
    the Syriac and Hebrew languages strongly resemble each based on this information the word may have a third meaning not only master or husband.

  2. Elena says

    Hi there,

    thanks very much again for this new recording. Again it is full of interesting subjects, truthful explanations, precious information. Thanks thanks thanks.

    Here my comments:
    1) Jeremiah 31 If the heavens can be measured and…(impossible premises) then I will reject _all_ of Israel’s descendants because of what they have done,

    In this statement God is saying that ALL Israel will never be rejected. However, this implies that a portion might be rejected, which in my opinion has been the case throughout the history of God’s dealings with mankind.

    Of all the people who came out of Egypt God let only 2 enter the promised land, the others were rejected because they had not believed God. When Elijah was desperate because everyone around Him had turned away to false Gods, God revealed to him that he had kept 7 thousand people in the land, who had not bowed to Baal. God always reserves a remnant for Himself, in every period and every circumstance. The remnant believes Him and stays faithful and inherits the promises, all the rest of the people are first (again and again) called to repentance and ultimately rejected, not because God decided to reject them, but because they rejected God.

    In this verse I do not read that God promises to ever accept all Israel, rather he promises to never allow ALL Israel to go astray and be rejected. There will always be a faithful remnant to be the recipient of God’s promises, covenant and blessings.

    2) Jeremiah 31: 32 They broke the covenant although I espoused them
    Hebrews: 8:9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant,

    In my understanding the two verses are not contradicting each other.
    Jeremiah: God gave a covenant when His people came out of Egypt, He espoused the people and gave them just laws and just ordinances.

    In Hebrews 8:9 God explains which kind of fault God has found in the first covenant, it says: the fault is… (because…) they did not continue in My covenant.
    Because of this fault, God promises to make a new covenant. The new covenant is not based on new laws or new rules, it is only based on the people having the same laws and the same regulations of the first covenant now written on their hearts. This new covenant thus does not disable those following the first covenant. It is inclusive of them.

    Hebrews 9:13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    This verse does not say that the law of the covenant, or the terms of the covenant are becoming obsolete, only the covenant is becoming obsolete, being replaced by one that is inclusive with respect to the first.
    The first covenant was: the laws are written on the tables of stone which are kept in the ark and on the Torah scroll which is kept in the Holy of Holies beside the ark: do these laws and live.
    The new covenant is: the Word (which is written on the tables of stone and in the scroll) is now in your heart and is in your mouth that you may do it.

    It is only the articulation of where the Law is kept that is different in the two covenants, not the Law itself, or the terms of the covenant (believe the Word, obey it)

    3) Question about Deut 24:16, that is cited in this episode, where God states that the children will not be punished for their father’s sins and viceversa.
    How do we reconcile this with what God declared when He passed before Moses, that He is a faithful and merciful God who does not leave the guilty unpunished and visits the iniquities of the fathers unto their sons up to the third and fourth generation. I have never understood this. Any idea?

  3. Dan&Heidi says

    Another great episode! You guys are doing fantastic work. This is a very good partnership indeed. As I was listening a quote from the documented correspondence of one bible “translator” to another bible “translator” sprang into my mind. It is quite telling, here ya go: “Our changes will be barely perceptible, here a jot, there a tittle, but in the end, our changes WILL BE DOCTRINE.” Hmmmmmmmmmm…

  4. Daryl Iverson says

    I liked this “show” too. One thing to note is that the NT warns that the heavens and the earth WILL “pass away” – so Him saying “until heaven and earth pass away” is followed by his warning that it IS going to happen. Peter’s epistle gives the same warning with more information and the Revelation takes it even further.

    Matthew 5:18 “Until Heaven and earth pass away” Luke 16:17 it is easier to the heaven and the earth to pass away, than of the law one tittle to fall.

    Matthew 24:35 “Heaven and earth will pass away”
    Mark 13:31 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away”
    Luke 21:33 ” Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away”
    2Peter 3:10 “and it will come — the day of the Lord — as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up. All these, then, being dissolved, what kind of persons dose it behoove you to be in holy behaviors and pious acts? Waiting for and hasting to the presence of the day of God, by which the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements with burning heat shall melt; and for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise we do wait, in which righteousness dwells

    The idea is that the righteous will escape into the heavens with Yehowah and Y’shua will conduct the roundup. Prophesy from the Tanakh may support this happening depending upon interpretation.

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