Yoel Halevi – Se’or, Chametz & Matza in Exodus 12:15

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  1. Mike says

    G’day Jono,
    Normally I concur with the things you say but I feel I really must protest strenuously at something you said on this program.

    You are completely in error dear brother … vegemite is disgusting!

    I suspect it is made by combining swine’s flesh with equal amounts of abomination and mouse!

    Apart from that, keep up the good work mate.

  2. jono vandor says

    G’day Mike. I may have to cut fellowship with you. You are clearly a wolf in sheep’s clothing and a false prophet etc… etc…
    Everybody knows that Vegemite and Marmite were liberally supplied with the manna in the wilderness! Man cannot live on bread alone!

  3. Mike says

    Exactly! MAN cannot live on bread alone, but vegie might.

  4. clearvoice says


    very funny bantor

  5. Basil Fernie says

    Much though I love eating Marmite (particularly on matrzah, with a dash of cheese) I understand it is strongly laced with y

  6. Herb Brooks says

    I do not believe that baking soda and baking powder can technically be considered as fermentation at least in the English definition of the word. It is a chemical reaction, and does not require time. If you put baking powder in your dough you can bake it immediately, and it will cause the bread to rise.

    Fermentation is caused by a biological agent such as yeast, and requires time for the yeast to grow. That is evident in scripture by the fact that the children of Israel carried the dough out in their kneading troughs, but it was not considered leavened.

  7. sovereign sam says

    Vegiemite is loaded with MSG. known to cause a plethera of discusting health problems.

  8. David says

    Makes more sense to me now having heard this lesson. This word Se’or I never knew about. Never understood why leaven was chosen as something to get rid of for this feast. Hard to imagine when nowadays it comes in neatly sealed packets or boxes. Now that I know what leaven was ‘back in the day’ when this commandment was given. But a really stinky, rotting, decayed piece of ick added to a good dough to make it too ‘bloat’ from decay.

    I was always of the understanding leaven represented sin. It is so much easier to imagine why that is now.

  9. David Nowlin says

    What bantor? You mean they were not serious? LOL

  10. sandie b says

    You mention not cooking with baking powder and soda at this time. What about the packaged mixes, kosher for Pesach, that contain these products. Matza Ball mix and i think i remember some cake mixes, labeled kosher for Pesach?
    In my studies, is see the word ‘leaven’ as a bad choice for translation of s’or, the word means fermentation, which you described, but didn’t use the word.

  11. jono vandor says

    Sam, it is true. Although I love Vegemite and I like to be patriotic to Aussie Land’s favorite spread, it should be noted that not all it’s ingredients are healthy 🙁
    Marmite, on the other hand, it a real winner! And in Aussie Land it is branded by Sanitarium which is (or at least was) a Shabbat observant company. So I maintain that the children of Israel had Marmite in the wilderness… after the week of unleavened bread of course 😉

  12. hachamor says

    Extremely useful information Jono! Thanks for looking out for us.

  13. Pekka H says

    Matza wrapped in the fine white linen cloth=the prophetic picture of Yeshua HaMashiach, our Unleavened Bread of Life, having Shabbat rest in His grave…until His resurrection on the 3rd day!

    (1 Cor. 5:6-8) “Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even HasMashiach our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”

  14. vicki says

    Id have to say that that was just the one I have been looking for. Love all the levity (leavity) about Vegemite and Marmite. I happen to love them both.But seriousty, the connection between grain and leaven was the key for me. I have in the past, at the instruction of well meaning mentors thrown out lots of things I needn’t have. BUT thats ok. I think I get it. On another note, the point for me is the entent of YHVH for the command. He did not want us to take anything of that incidious, silently all invasive thing of Egypt with us. No doublemindedness, no slow release. The new leaven of His Holiness was the order of the day. What a lovely sweet spirit your guest has. I like him.

  15. Bill in Wisconsin says

    If you would like to see a hand-made matza factory, take a look at the Wednesday, 13 April 2011 “Makin’ Matzas” post at http://www.lazerbrody.typepad.com/

    Very helpful guest —

  16. Rick Winkler says

    Yoel, It says in Shemot 12:34: And the people took their dough בּצק before it was leavened, their kneading-troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders (JPS). Then in Shemot 12:37-39: And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. And they baked unleavened cakes מצּה of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual.
    Perhaps you can answer this, how can six hundred thousand men on foot, beside children, and a mixed multitude travel from Ramses to Succoth in under 18 minutes? Or, is it possible to make מצּה from chametz?

  17. Tehila says

    Regarding baking powder and baking soda:

    I saw a comment in the ‘American Karaite Judaism’ FB forum yesterday, that was made by a ‘Sha’ul Bentsion’; and I have to agree with him.

    He said; “while baking powder and baking soda may not technically be chametz; the use of either are definitely outside the spirit of the Holiday; and the reason behind it’s observance”.

    I agree because we are supposed to observe this Chag in the remembrance of what our ancestors did when YHWH brought them out of Egypt, and into the wilderness. I don’t think they had the time to make cakes and matzo ball soup. It may be permissible; but is it a good idea? 😉

    This Holiday is about passing on the memory to the ensuing generations; in the form of an experience. At least that is what Moses said that God said.

    Just my two cents worth. 🙂

  18. Rick says

    Manischewitz Kosher for Pesach Matzo Ball Mix ingredient list on the side of the box: Matzo meal (Passover wheat flour and water), salt, monocalcium phosphate, sodium bicarbonate, onion, pepper, garlic, celery seed.


    Notice sodium bicarbonate in the ingredient list.

  19. Richard says

    What is the name of the biblical hebrew dictionary Yoel used during the podcast?

  20. Shaun says

    Baking soda causes dough to rise, just the same as yeast. I’m stunned to hear that some people say it’s acceptable for Passover, because it’s technically not chametz. ‘If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, etc’

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