Nehemia Gordon & Keith Johnson talk about The Aramaic Letter Exposed
The Aramaic Letter Exposed by Nehemia Gordon
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Love your humor,it is a glimpse also of YHWH”s heart!!
I still find this so disturbing and you helped me make a little more sense of it all. I agree that we should be praying for our enemies! and pray for reconciliation! and praying for discernment! and praying and praying and praying. Yahovah bless you all!
Great show, but poor Keith. : (
This discussion, (in my opinion) reveals a very Laodicea mindset. What do I mean by that?
I am so completely offended that after all the suffering that my Master endured for our sakes, so we could live and not die………..He was only mentioned in the context of Nehemiah’s disbelief. Does anyone really believe that Nehemiah or those like him are going to “help the believers” more that Christ Himself, or the Spirit that testifies of him?
Nehemiah was allowed to come on the show and state he does not believe Yeshua is the Son of God, the Messiah over and over again. No one set him straight. No one stood up for YHVH’s son. How do you think that is going to sit with our Father?
To me it seems Jono and Keith are ashamed of the Gospel of Christ. They did not defend our Savior but allowed Nehemiah to infer him a liar not once or twice but more times than I could comfortably listen to. I was upset the first time imagine how dirty I felt by the end.
I listened to entire program looking for the Gospel preached to the listeners. I listened thinking of Yeshua himself seated at the right hand of YAH. He had no place of honor in this talk.
Yeshua was not praised. Yeshua was not taught. Yeshua was not adored. Yeshua was not esteemed. Yeshua was not defended. Yeshua was not offered. Yeshua was not, was not, was not…………and it breaks my heart.
Here is a warning to you all in your smug jokes and laughing and giving a voice to unbelievers and a place to those who continue over and over again to state unbelief in our soon coming King………..Wake up, for he is about to spew you out of his mouth.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love
If the statement “out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks”………where is our love of Yeshua in this talk?
Are we lukewarm in our love? I think the name of Yeshua
was spoken many times in this message but how many times in the truth of who he is?
Grind, grind, grind……..my big axe is actually a double edge sword and sharp for a reason!
Shalom Jono
Thank you so very much for taking the time to have Nechemya and Keith on your program. It was very helpful and informative. Truly two men of honorable integrity!
May YHWH give guidance and healing to all parties in this situation and above all may He cause His name to be published to the four corners of the earth!!
Love and blessings
Zerubbabel
Nehemiah is wrong about my Lord Yeshua. This is what I believe:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Yeshua, His only Son, and our Messiah
I believe in Jesus who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
who was born of the virgin Mary,
who suffered under Pontius Pilate,
who was crucified for our forgiveness, died on the cross, and was buried in the tomb;
He descended into hell
The third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven, returned and ascended again
and sits on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from where he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit;
the assembly of called out ones;
the communion of all believers in the Son;
the forgiveness of sins for those who believe in the Son;
the resurrection of the body by the power of the Son;
and the life everlasting, as reward to those who come to the Son.
I believe in the swift and final destruction by judgment of every person who refuses to accept Yeshua haMashiach.
I believe Today is the day of Salvation. I believe the door is about to shut and those outside will be refused entry. I believe those bidden to the wedding refused to come having many excuses. I believe the Angels are in the highways and byways looking for guests for the wedding.
I believe Yeshua is coming; it’s time to get ready to meet him.
Thanks guys for sharing!
Great interview Jono.
Nehemia and Keith – thank you both for “getting out of the car”.
I have learnt so much about the Hebrew roots of my faith through you both, in your books especially.
I love that it was Nehemiah who reminded Keith of Matthew 18 and you are right Nehemia – it is a good and proper way to act which is why I believe both the Torah and the New Testament teach on it. I am so sad that others acted in a deceptive way towards you both. That goes against much taught in Torah and the Apostolic Record (New Testament).
I couldn’t believe either that the show said that the ‘teaching of the Name of God’ was not more important than what the tv station stood for (paraphrasing). Man, do they forget that Yeshua, full of zeal for His Father’s house, made a whip of cords and drove the money changers out of the temple? Where is our holy zeal? When did a tv station’s ‘vision’ or ‘mission’ or ‘ministry’ or whatever, trump the desire for Truth to be revealed and proclaimed? Especially when it comes to the Holy Name of Yehovah? May it continued to be revealed again and again and again to a generation who have, as a whole, never heard it taught or proclaimed.
Praise YHVH for His goodness and Truth!
Lusi 🙂
I’m having a very hard time understanding how a true believer in Jesus can hear a man say he is proclaiming the name of God and in the same breath say Jesus is not Lord and we are all ok with it.
Is that taking the name of the lord in vain?
For all the Nehemiah bashers. You should know that there are some who YHWH ELohim Himself blinded toward Yahushua the Messiah. You do not have the authourity to condemn, only to use rightousness to help share truth.
It says in the Brit HaCodesh (New Testament) that “Sins against the Son WILL BE FORGIVEN of men, but sins against the Spirit will not.” So i just want to ask, who will be forgiven? The one who is ignorant of who the Messiah is, or the ones who judge them?
“We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Ephesians 6: 12.
“For the weapons of our warefare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Mashiach.” II Cor. 10: 4-5.
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God; Every spirit that confesses that Yeshua Mashiach is come in the flesh is of Eloheim; And every spirit that confesses not that Yeshua Mashiach is come in the flesh is not of Eloheim; and this is that of anti-messiah, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (paraphrase mine.) 1st John 4: 1-3.
It is a very difficult thing to stand solid on the Word of Eloheim. It is so easy to get our heads turned. We need to constantly be aware that the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a mixed tree. From the tree much good can come and also from the same tree much evil can come. It can come dressed in all kinds of beautful packaging. Nachash is the “shining one.” He can come with a lot of glitter and grace. A lot of light and even a lot of truth. It is that small infusion of error, or lies, or evil, or what ever you wish to label it as that holds the danger for your soul. Our Mashiach warned us. We need to be careful.
I am not ready to take a stand against any man, however, I am ready, willing and able to take a stand against false doctrine and lying wonders.
I warn all my brothers and sisters who read and listen to these or any other programs to be very very very careful. I love my brother Yhudah. I will not take a stand against any man who is working to rejoin Yhudah and Ephreim. Who am I to stand in the way of the unification of the two Etz of Yhudah and Ephraim as prophesied in Ezekiel. May YHVH’s Spirit do His Work and may all Israel be saved.
But, any man who renounces my Mashiach is my enemy. But, if YHVH is leading and bringing him to new light, he will soon become my brother in a much deeper way.
I don’t believe this journey begun by our two travelers in this program is complete. I will withhold judgment until then and in the process, I will love them both and support them both. But there is only one doctrinal stand that I can take and that is that Yeshua is Mashiach! If in the end one still denies that, then that one will not be my brother spiritually, but I will love him as if he is.
Some think they know better than Yeshua on these matters but I think Yeshua knew better. What did Jesus mean when he said the following statement? Was he a judging Nehemia basher or speaking the truth?
Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? Most assuredly, I say to you, we speak what we know and testify what we have seen, and you do not receive our witness. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned;
but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
In this context, what do you think when a man says “I do not believe”?
What it means to me? It means what Jesus said it means………… he is condemned already. Am I wrong to understand and believe and teach what the Master taught? Does anyone think they know better than the Duet 18 prophet?
What did Jesus say again for those who missed it?
He who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
I assure you, I have no personal need to judge a condemned man. I say these things so real Christians who are dead asleep can wake up and learn the teachings of the Master. Then they can be a true disciple.
Thanks again Jono for such a wonderful program. So insightful!
Only Yahovah can bring a Christian a Jew and a Messianic together to be friends and learn from each orther. Your are an example to all of us. We can all learn from them …how to love people even if we do not agree to all they say and believe..
Love your program like always.
Warm greatings from South Africa!
As long as this can of worms has been opened, I’m curious in a nonjudgmental way, why a world class bible scholar Nehemiah doesn’t believe in Yahshua. I’d like to hear the debate, but in a friendly tone between brothers. Maybe this isn’t possible but I think there are quite a lot of us who would like to cut to the chase and hear the points of view that would divide us. I appreciate the sensitivity of the issue but how can we ever reach out to our brother around the elephant in the room?
Laurie Jo,
Please accept this in the spirit of brotherly love as it is intended.
I want to point out a slight error in your post.
New Testament is Hebrew is Brit Chadashah.
You misspelled it as Brit codesh. The closest interpretation of that would be “covenant of new moon”, or “covenant of month.” the new moon is, “chodesh.
blessings to you.
David
As I learned from Scot Dryer: We don’t get to decide who is wheat and who is tares. We don’t need to be sitting in heaven as queen deciding others fate.
Nehemia and Keith are lifting up the name of the Father (Yashua always pointed to and gave glory to the Father!)
I agree with Brenda and Scot Dryer in that…..we do not decide who is wheat and who is tare. But Jesus said we “know them by their fruit”.
What was planted that produces wheat? The word of Yah who is Jesus. I know who is wheat because they speak, believe and teach the truth that Jesus is the Son of Yah, Son of man.
What was planted that produces tares? The word of Satan planted by an enemy. I know who is a tare because he does not speak the truth but says of Jesus things like “oh, he was a teacher of interesting historical meaning but not who God says he is “the Son of the Living God.
What does the seed of Yah produce? It produces belief in him who was sent, the chief cornerstone of the Temple of YHVH.
What does the seed of Satan produce? Disbelief in him who was sent, of whom they are not worthy.
“But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves”
“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
We do not decide who is a tare but we know them by there fruits. Having been preached to the Gospel of the Coming Kingdom of God and the truth of the word, and having Moses and the Prophets, they deny the Son and reject the will of God for themselves
They do not come to the Son so that they can have eternal life.
Jesus said “But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.”
Whoever has the Son has the Father and can receive the Holy Spirit. Whoever rejects the son has not the Father and the Spirit of Truth can not dwell in him. I have the Father and the Son and the Spirit of Truth dwells with me and in me. I keep the commandments of Yah and have the testimony of Yeshua.
Will you believe me? But how can you believe me if you don’t believe Jesus for I only teach what Jesus said? His words are Spirit and Eternal Life and Truth!
Brenda,
I agree, we cannot make those judgments, and I don’t.
I only posted Scripture that can’t be ignored. We must find a way to understand in light of the Word we have been given. One I posted was, ““Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God; Every spirit that confesses that Yeshua Mashiach is come in the flesh is of Eloheim; And every spirit that confesses not that Yeshua Mashiach is come in the flesh is not of Eloheim; and this is that of anti-messiah, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
This is from the pen of the Apostle John and specifically deals with Mashiach in the flesh. I am not judging or condemning Nehemiah. I love the man and his teachings but I fear for his spiritual life and eternal security based on this and other Scriptures.
Instead of trying to find a way around Scripture, we should be trying to find an unoffensive way to bring him into the knowledge of the Truth that Mashiach is come in the flesh, as Messiah benYoseph and will return as Messiah benDavid.
John said one thing. Nehemiah said another, “I don’t believe Yeshua is Messiah.” I am not judging but the Words Yeshua has spoken either from His own mouth or through His Servants the Apostles it is still Scripture. Still the Word of Eloheim.
As you know, I have been a moderator on Scot Dryer’s web site for years. I love Scot and I don’t believe he would teach anything contrary to Scripture.
None of us can sit as queen of heaven and judge the souls or actions of other men. But, if we see a brother in danger, and I consider Nehemiah as my brother and in danger. There is nothing I can do but pray, so, I will do that.
Blessings Brenda
John Holsti,
Agreed. I too would love to hear a discussion, Not debate as proposed by the TV station and not with that man they wanted him to debate. I don’t trust him any more than Nehemiah does.
However I would love to see Nehemiah sit down with a brother in the Messianic movement of his own choosing, other than Keith because they are to close, but a brother such as Brad Scot or Monte Judah or Scot Dryer and have a friendly one on one for a couple of hours and air the pros and cons.
It is the “come in the flesh” issue that troubles me most. That Scripture haunts me regarding Nehemia. I know that Yeshua was YHVH in the flesh. Not that the flesh was YHVH but I believe the Spirit of Mashiach Yeshua was the same Spirit of YHVH. The Name Yeshua is YHVH is Salvation. There are a lot of arguments that can be made but I would love to hear Nehemia discuss it with us. He offers a lot of information to the Messianic and Christian world. I am in no way suggesting that he go through any kind of deal like was in the inquisitions. That thought and expectation from others disgust me.
I think we should all pray about this. There is a lot at stake here. He is our brother Yhudah! We need to love him into the Kingdom not try and drag him kicking and screaming. If he would entertain this I believe it would be good for both sides.
To quote Shakespeare..Me thinks thou doth protest too much…
What a convenient way to dodge a defense of Nehemiah’s Scholarship by wraping himself in a cloak of acusations of anti semitism. If Mr Gordon can “destroy” this infidel converted Jew for his inability to prove his case re: Aramaic primacy, why doesn’t he?
I just don’t think we can love someone into the Kingdom, though I think it is a nice sentiment of a tender heart and honorable.
Why do I think that?
You see, Moses and Aaron and YHVH himself could not love the generation of the wilderness into the Kingdom because they resisted and provoked HIM for forty years so he swore they would not enter his rest.
They resisted the Prophets and put them to death, read what Stephen said to them. Stephen could not love them into the Kingdom, but he died trying, that was nice.
Moses, Aaron, Joshua, David, Solomon, Samuel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the other prophets could not love them into the Kingdom.
Finally the Son of the living God was sent to them. Emanuel himself could not love them into the kingdom so the Kingdom was taken from them and given to a Nation that would bring forth the fruits of the Kingdom.
Hard is the way that leads to eternal life, few there be that find it.
I don’t think we have a greater love than Yeshua or YHVH himself. If they can’t love them into the Kingdom, how will we?
But if they would hear Moses and the Prophets most of all Yeshua and decide to repent and love him and believe God, they could enter into the Kingdom.
Matthew 21: Read the parable of the vineyard.
“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”
Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.
Reading the comments above from Christians, I am thankful for my Tanach in which all of the alleged fulfillment of verses are so far fetched that one can only thank God for Psalm 147:19,20 which states that God gave his word only to Jacob/Israel not to any other nation. Read Hosea 11:1 and its context and see how Matthew brutalizes this as an alleged fulfillment. It is Israel being spoken of not Jesus. Yet we find quotes about being ground to powder above for not accepting Jesus??? Read your Tanach friends you will not find Jesus there. Become a Jew or a Noachide its safe.
Thank you, thank you, thank you — all 3 of you!!!! It is nice to know that others also come up against the “Jezebel spirit”. That spirit tells lies and rumors to try to discredit the ones that YHVH is using to further His kingdom here on earth. Nehemia and Keith: No weapon formed against you shall prosper and every tongue that rises against you will be put to shame…..!!!! I called the tv network to speak with someone and all I was told was to write a letter to the station manager. As far as anyone trying to convince you that Yeshua is Messiah, that’s the Ruach HaKodesh’ job — not mine or anyone else’s. We are to settle conflicts or disputes the way Yeshua said in Matthew 18. Bravo guys!!!! I have enjoyed learning from both Keith and Nehemia and it is up to me to glean what I am supposed to glean. May YHVH continue to bless you and your work. It is very important. Thank you for continuing!!!!!
There are a lot of interesting, and some very true comments, as well as good Scripture references given here
. While I do agree that “there is no other name given under heaven whereby mankind can be saved”, other than Yeshua Messiah, it is a supernatural work of the Spirit that brings this salvation to fruition. We cannot beat someone over the head with the Gospel, although we are to preach it in season and out of season. We use words, if necessary.
YHVH “gives us the measure of faith, whereby we may believe”, Our response is to receive this gift of the measure of faith so that we can believe. We do this by an act of our will. So, the question is NOT, “do you or don’t you believe?”, it must be “will you or won’t you believe?”
The rest of us did NOT believe…it was the same for us, it will be the same for the ethnic Jew. We aren’t so hot just because we do believe, because it was the Spirit of YHVH working in us so that we could believe. It is NOT anything that we accomplished on our own. God did it in us and for us. He is the author and finisher of our faith and salvation. It is the “gift of God, lest any man should boast”. Remember that He made the covenant with Abraham while Abraham was in a deep sleep. Perhaps, one day, after all if said and done, many people who have denied and joked about Messiah Yeshua, will be supernaturally awakened from their slumber to be totally embarrassed by what they have said and done, and will be ashamed and humbled, and ready to cry out to Him for His salvation.
The sacrifices of the Old Covenant were temporary and temporal, the sacrifice of Yeshua Messiah was/is permanent and eternal.
Someone said that we must pray, and then pray more. That is correct, because the honest, earnest prayer of a righteous person avails much. We are only deemed righteous on Messiah’s merits, not our own. “For God so LOVED the world”…NOT so He hated sin. He does, in fact, hate sin, but that is NOT what inspired HIm to send His Son, the supernatural God-man, YHVH in the Spirit, man in the flesh, was sent because YHVH LOVES HIS CREATION and wants to redeem it. He desires relationship with His Creation, whether ethnic Jew or Gentile. The “Jew” has the advantage in the Kingdom of God, through Messiah, because to Him were given the oracles of YHVH. We gentiles, were strangers and aliens to the covenants and promises of YHVH…yet sometimes, we tend to think that WE are the recipients of His mercy and grace because we were so special. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Messiah Yeshua did NOT come to make a new covenant with the gentiles and start a new religion with its own Sabbath, the venerable day of the sun, its own festivals, based on the pagan solar calendar, and now we are “set free” to eat bat, rat, cat, mouse, slug, snake, skunk, hog, horse, dog, etc., etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
I pray for Nehemiah, my ethnic Jewish after the flesh, friend, for his salvation through Messiah Yeshua. I will wait for the day of the true Yehudah, “Praise”, to manifest himself in the world on behalf of Messiah Yeshua. That day will come! In the meantime, as Saint Stephen said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do”.
It was Messiah Himself, who knocked Sha’ul off his high horse, after he had brought shame to YHVH’s Messiah and persecuted the true believers. No person accomplished that task. Sha’ul, in God’s wisdom and on His timetable, was allowed to be brought to the end of himself. So be it!
If there is any error in my message, the fault is truly mine. Please forgive.
Steven,
You said, “I just don’t think we can love someone into the Kingdom, though I think it is a nice sentiment of a tender heart and honorable.”
The loving is our part! The bringing into the Kingdom is the part of the man and Eloheim.
We cannot criticize one into the Kingdom.
We cannot force one into the Kingdom.
We cannot debate one into the Kingdom.
We cannot shun one into the Kingdom.
Not everyone that Yeshua approached and offered the Kingdom took Him up on the offer. Remember the rich man who wanted to follow Yeshua but would not get rid of the riches and give to the poor? Yeshua did His part and loved the man and told him how to enter. The rest was up to the man.
My point is, we must approach it the same way that Yeshua would. We love the man and show him the way. the rest is up to him and YHVH.
I think Steven listens to the Nehemiah episodes simply so he can be offended and rant. You know Nehemiah’s positions before you listened.
some people tell me i dont have common since … And they are right , i have uncommon since… the since i have is not of this world…..JESUS CHRIST is the SON of GOD …JESUS is the only way to the father…JESUS is the savior of the world
JESUS is comming soon ,,,,,so my fellow christians lets not talk bad about other humans… LOVE covers ALL wrongs..its is bad to talk about what the diobediant do in secret…The angels in all thier power dont even do it ……its the goodness of GOD that leads people to repent……. the bible is for helping people
JESUS said if you say you dont know me befor man i will not know you infront of my father….. i christopher Shafer will die for JESUS and not taste death Armor up and prepair for worship
Shalom everyone,
Interesting bunch of dialogue. I was the one who instigated the debate, and, I have the documenation to prove that Mr. Nehemiah Gordon is representing the nature of my request through GLC. I asked for a debate on textual criticism. Mr. Gordon is running like a scared little pussy cat from my request for him to debate Aramaic vs Hebrew New Testament primacy. Did you hear that? Mr. Nehemia Gordon is afraid to “destroy” Andrew? Wow. Bring it on then why don’t you dear Nehemiah. There’s lots more to come folks. And I’m available for a nice pleasant chat about this just about anytime. Todah rabbah.
Oops, typing too fast.. I meant to spell, Nehemiah Gordon is MIS-representing the invitation for the debate. I’ll post all the documentation after some friends are finished reviewing it. Also, just wanted to say that everyone at Netzari Press happens to be of Jewish extraction. That’s the publishing company for the AENT and Wheel of Stars. So Mr. Nehemia Gordon’s little poor me the persecuted Jew is a rather pathetic attempt for himself to illicit sympathy. It might work with some sentimental Gentile Christians. But really I think Christians are getting a bit tired of Jews playing the anti-Semitic card when they’re caught in a bit of their personal stupidness. Just my humble Jewish opinion though, from my Jewish Grandmother’s Jewish soul. Shalom U’Vrachot.
Isaiah 63: 7
I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD
And the praises of the LORD,
According to all that the LORD has bestowed on us,
And the great goodness toward the house of Israel,
Which He has bestowed on them according to His mercies,
According to the multitude of His lovingkindnesses.
8 For He said, “Surely they are My people,
Children who will not lie.”
So He became their Savior.
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
And the Angel of His Presence saved them;
In His love and in His pity He redeemed them;
And He bore them and carried them
All the days of old.
10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit;
So He turned Himself against them as an enemy,
And He fought against them.
Why was the Holy Spirit sent?
1) But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
2) “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
3) He will guide us into all truth.
4) Not speak of himself but remind us what Jesus said (he shall speak my words in my name)
5) He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness and judgment.
Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
All things that the Father hath are mine (thus the inheritance): therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Jesus was a man of many sorrows. Isaiah 53:3
Since Yeshua was coming in the great love of his Father as a gift to the world for salvation, why was he so sad? Why did he often weep? Didn’t he have everything to look forward to knowing he would inherit all things and all authority?
“He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.”
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’”
There is still time to repent and receive the Love of YHVH who is Yeshua but the door is closing. We must up the message, the simmer must become a boil for the purpose was always a boiling pot.
I love Israel in case anyone gets the wrong idea, I make these comments for her own good so she can say “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord”.
David: I get you and know you are my brother. Your heart is right! Bear with me while I speak up for our Lord and show he is requiring something of us right now so a people can be prepared for his return. Bear with me while I speak for the Holy Spirit.
We must separate ourselves unto Holiness or we will not be ready to receive him when he comes. Separate from all that is not of the anointing.
‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’”
Holy…. wow…. are you kiddin’ me?? REALLY?! (there, the phrases from my teens are spewing forth)
Nehemia, first of all, I finally know how to pronounce the name “Ne-hem-i(long e)-yah” because of you. 🙂 (Christian pronounciations, yuck!) I’ve been your “friend” on facebook for awhile. You are kind, light-hearted, and serious about the things you believe in. I don’t see eye to eye with you on everything, but hey, who does? (oh yeah, only those people who follow you blindly… can’t believe you wrote something like that on fb 🙂
This “Baruch ben Daniel” is mean-spirited. Why not use your real name, sir? I do believe that Nehemiah could rip you a new one, but he was advised to not do so, and he listened to wisdom. Something I think you should do as well.
Here’s the thing: Israel is YHVH’s beloved. Never changing: the same yesterday, today, and forever, right? RIGHT.
Let’s try a word picture: YHVH is an island. There is no way to reach Him. The sin of Adam caused a breach. So, a man; yes, a man came and he was a true tzaddik (read the Tanya). He was here to interact with the sages of the time; maybe not personally, but his words and theirs are ours. His Torah was true. But he was the Messiah ben Yosef, and he died. His death was not in vain. He made a way for us to get to YHVH. He is the bridge to the island. Now, we call him “Yeshua” or “Jesus” or Yahshua” or “Torah”, but he’s the bridge to YHVH MOST HIGH!!! He does not want our worship. He only wants that we get to the Father. Just because someone doesn’t know the name of the bridge, doesn’t mean they didn’t cross it to get to the Father. So he says that he’s the only way…. so what? There are too many additions, deletions, and opinions from the scribes in our NT to know for sure what Yeshua said and what he meant.
And Paul… well, another rabbi who wanted his say. The Talmud and the NT are kinda the same…. Though, I doubt that the Talmud had a bunch of people writing “as” Hillel, or Rabbi so and so, like we get with Paul, Peter, and John. The NT does NOT supercede the most wonderful gift to mankind, the oldER testament. Whatever is written in the NT, MUST be verified by the writings of Moses, the kings, and the prophets.
Well, that’s my opinion; hope I said that with respect. 🙂
Thanks, Jono, for the interviews!!
SHEMA ISRAEL!!!!!!!!! YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is ONE!!
Baruch ben Daniel,
The wording and the spirit of your above comments betray your heart.
I attempted to find Yeshua and His love in those comments but the attempt failed.
I will stick with the company of sentimental Gentile Christians, what ever that is.
V’ahavta L’rayacha Kamocha!
B’HaShem Yeshua HaMashiach.
David
Tsvi thank you for your comment. I felt it worth mentioning that there are some who make a connection between Matthew 2:15 & Hosea 11:1 with Exodus 4:22, Deuteronomy 21:18-23 and Galatians 4:13-14. May I suggest that such reasoning may deserve better than the category of far fetched and brutalized prophetic fulfillment. Matthew 2:23 may suit your purposes better (although this too has a fairly solid reasoning behind it).
Tzvi,
I read my Tanach daily. Usually for hours. I find it truly amazing that I find Yeshua on nearly every page. You are correct, “I do not find “Jesus” anywhere. But the “Mashiach” that the Christian Churches call “Jesus” is everywhere!!!!!!!!
Perhaps we are reading different translations. I am partial to the Art Scroll Tanach even though I do find it full of translator bias.
Blessings to you B’HaShem Yeshua HaMashiach my brother Yhudah!
Laura, wow………. if you don’t believe Yeshua’s words are accurate and can be understood, how do you follow him as he says he is the shepard and his sheep follow him, know his words, know his voice, etc?
I never heard anyone respond to something Jesus said as “so what”.
Shalom Mishpocha,
It is very dis-heartening to see so many people jump on yet another religous bandwagon of bashing another when only one side of this has been portrayed publicly. I have been watching this unfold on different sites and social networks as well as listening to the interview.
Baruch ben Daniel, as well as the other individual being attacked are very close friends of mine, and the second Baruch has stepped out to offer just a few statements of truth on their behalf, he is attacked by the backers of the other side.This is simply an act of immaturity.
There were multiple false statements that were made in this interview,such as lumping the accused in as a convert to christianity,(which he is not) as well as bringing up the disputations of the middle ages which have no relevance.
If one does research on the disputations ,they will find that they were mostly between catholics and jews. This was merely an attempt by the individuals involved in this interview to gain suport from the masses of people under false pretenses and damage another’s character.
Lets be clear here folks, the individuals whom this is really concerning are all Torah observant Jews.
This specific issue needs to be dealt with properly. Unfortunately, it has been now brought to a public forum man-hunt with those who support Nehemia and Keith calling the accused “bashers” without even hearing the other side.
So whom then is bashing whom?
Honestly folks, lets move forward in a mature fashion, listen to all sides without the bias,and respond in truth.
YHWH bless.
Daniel,
Your points are well taken. I agree that this in not being handled as it should be. It is most unfortunate.
I for one am not a supporter of either side in this. My comments have been carefully selected to try and show the proper spirit. I do not say this in my own defense. I only want to show that not everyone is jumping on Baruch ben Daniel because they are supporting the other side.
You stated, “Baruch ben Daniel, as well as the other individual being attacked are very close friends of mine, and the second Baruch has stepped out to offer just a few statements of truth on their behalf, he is attacked by the backers of the other side.This is simply an act of immaturity”
Your comment “…Baruch has stepped out to offer just a few statements of truth…”
Shall we look at some of those statements?
“Mr. Gordon is running like a scared little pussy cat from my request for him to debate Aramaic vs Hebrew New Testament primacy. Did you hear that? Mr. Nehemia Gordon is afraid to “destroy” Andrew? Wow. Bring it on then why don’t you dear Nehemiah.”
And,
” So Mr. Nehemia Gordon’s little poor me the persecuted Jew is a rather pathetic attempt for himself to illicit sympathy. It might work with some sentimental Gentile Christians. But really I think Christians are getting a bit tired of Jews playing the anti-Semitic card when they’re caught in a bit of their personal stupidness.”
Are these statements “statements of truth” Daniel? He has called the man “scared little pussycat” “pathetic” Stupid” etc.,
and the tone of these statements were far from displaying the Love of Mashiach.
There were also statements made by Nehemia Gordon which were out of line in my opinion, however, it appears you are taking sides also while accusing others of doing it.
We all need to be careful what we say as we comment in public forums. Jono cautioned us recently about that in the very interview we are discussing here. And he was right. He was speaking to me when he cautioned us and I am trying my very best to be loving and honest in my remarks.
So in answer to your question, “So whom then is bashing whom? I would have to say the bashing is coming from both sides and I am quite sure YHVH is not pleased with it.
So, I will quote you once more:
“Honestly folks, lets move forward in a mature fashion, listen to all sides without the bias,and respond in truth.
YHWH bless.
Keep standing up for Yeshua HaMashiach, Melech Yisrael. HE will lead you into all truth; PURE truth! Do not hearken to a mixed seed!
Truth be told I feel that Laura and David are correct in their reproof of what I wrote. I apologize for that “attitude” that came out in my previous posts. I make that apology to each one of you and whomever reads this thread. There were a few things said during the interview that made me very upset, but, I should have been wiser and used temperance. I’m sincerely sorry for that. Reading through the thread just now I was VERY blessed to see the ministry of YHWH’s Word and Spirit coming forth through you all. Shalom ve Ahavah.
I will admit that I have not listened to this particular program because my heart is just not in it.
As a previous person wrote it is of mixed seed and therefore suspect. I have read and watched ‘Hebrew Yeshua vs Greek Jesus’ several years ago and did learn from it.
Since then I have become much more aware of who I listen to and what I read. For me listening to these 2 gentlemen is like going to a christian church and listening to their pastor. Sure there is some truth mixed in there but without the set apart spirit where is the wisdom?
In fact this is attempting to mix the 2 sides Judaism and ‘Christianity’.
I am friendly with several Jewish people but I would not consider them a brother.
Yahshua himself said Mar 3:35 “For whoever does the desire of Elohim is My brother and My sister and mother.”1 Footnote: 1Mt. 12:50, Lk. 8:21.
Is not accepting the sacrifice of Messiah the will of the father?
For this reason I cannot call Nehemiah my brother.
The statement was made about those who did not know any better not seeing the Messiah. This cannot be for Nehemiah because he knows the Torah and has chosen to refuse the sacrifice of Messiah.
I also read in one of the other programs on Truth2U
Mat 7:23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’1 Footnote: 1 See v. 15.
and the person stated that because of this those who keep Torah will approach the throne and be accepted.
To this I say that is impossible because we cannot approach the throne without the blood sacrifice of Yahshua.
I do not know Nehemia nor Keith and I bare them no ill will.
I will not bash intentionally nor mistreat anyone for I represent my Messiah. However…..
I do stand for the WORD of Yahweh and His Messiah Yahshua.
I believe that Yahshua is the Word made flesh.
If I do not accept Torah then I deny Yahweh
If I do not accept Messiah then I deny the Word and thus deny Yahweh. They both go hand in hand.
There is no in between.
Mat 10:32 “Everyone, therefore, who shall confess Me before men, him I shall also confess before My Father who is in the heavens.
Mat 10:33 “But whoever shall deny Me before men, him I shall also deny before My Father who is in the heavens.
Are we so willing to accept what someone says just because they are Jewish? I try to look to the scriptures to try all things.
If I find it in the Tanakh I then also look to find it in the Messianic writings.
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Laura Blair said: “Now, we call him “Yeshua” or “Jesus” or Yahshua” or “Torah”, but he’s the bridge to YHVH MOST HIGH!!! He does not want our worship. He only wants that we get to the Father. Just because someone doesn’t know the name of the bridge, doesn’t mean they didn’t cross it to get to the Father. So he says that he’s the only way…. so what?”
I agree that we should not worship Yeshua, but the Father because Yeshua always turned and will turn our attention forever to the Father only. But Messiah’s name is not “Torah”, but Yeshua (salvation). We should call upon the name of Yeshua Messiah, our Lord and Saviour, first of all by His literal original Hebrew name.
Yeshua is the ONLY WAY to the Father and the Cornerstone of our faith and there is no other name under the sky in which we will be saved:
“Yeshua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (Yochanan 14:6)
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Yeshua HaMashiach of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:10-12)
And Yeshua’s / Yehoshua’s / Yahushua’s name includes His Father’s “shortened” name (Yeh / Yah). If we call upon the name of Yeshua we call upon the name of YHWH Himself because:
“He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.” (1 Yochanan 5:12)
I agree that Tanak is the ultimate foundation of the whole Bible. And yes, there are many mistranslations and such in Brit Chadasha -translations, but it doesn’t meant that we should minimize the spiritual significance of the teachings in Brit Chadasha. I recommend to be very careful stating “so what?” about Yeshua’s words.
Please, remember that there are also mistranslations and such in Tanak -translations.
Baruch ben Daniel.
YHVH bless you my dear brother for a loving and correct spirit!
We are all human. Jono reproved me and I was very thankful. I can understand you being upset. May YHVH keep all of us from slipping into fleshly responses.
B’ahavta B’Yeshua
David
Yeshua and the Father are one!
In reference to the concept that Yeshua does not want our worship:
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he (The Father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world (Yeshua), he (The Father) saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Revelation 4: 11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Hebrews 1:“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
All things were made by the word who is Yeshua. All things were made for him. There was nothing made that was not made by him.
Yeshua was worshiped by those who knew who he was.
Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
Matthew 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Matthew 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matthew 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Matthew 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
Matthew 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him, they (the eleven remaining disciples) worshipped him: but some doubted.
John 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Jesus never once said “don’t worship me”.
While not wishing to add confusion to this debate, is it not possible that there exists two parallel covenants?
Yehoshua (Yeshua, Yashua, Jesus) stated very clearly that He came only for the lost sheep of Israel, which would have excluded His own kinsmen from the Tribe of Judah. Indeed, He blinded Judah as to His role and identity so that He could bring salvation to the dispersed of the House of Israel. If I see a Jew who denies that Yehoshua is the Messiah, I can only see the hand of God still at work.
The same “blindness” fell upon the House of Israel when they were dispersed, though they were blinded to their own identity (references in the book of Jeremiah). Both the House of Judah and the House of Israel were blinded, though we live in times where some from Judah are coming to acknowledge the identity of Messiah (the Messianic Jews), and some from the House of Israel are coming to an understanding of their own identity (the Nazarenes, or “Followers of the Way”). Thankfully, Messiah can and does cure blindness.
The reunion of the two houses does appear to occur in the pre-Messianic times (Ezekiel’s two sticks) and in other prophecies. I would like to mention two of these.
Isaiah (49.21) fortells the Jewish attitude to the returning remnant of the House of Israel: “Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?”
This response is also found in Ezekiel (16:61) “Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.”
This verse also deals with the returnees (prodigal sons) from the House of Israel where the House of Judah is told that they return “but not by thy covenant”. Does this not imply that there exists two parallel covenants?.
Best of all, perhaps! Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Dafydd,
Every Covenant ever made by YHVH is still in force and will always be. The misinterpretation of the Book of Hebrews by the Christian interpreters stating that the “Old Covenant” given to Moshe has been done away with is heresy. The priesthood was changed, not the Covenant. So, you are correct. They exist parallel. Not only two, but all of them.
We still have the rainbow in the sky.